Dale A Hevner, what a good letter. To hear something really disgusting ask every person you readers come in contact with this week " do you trust the government?"
Dale, give me names and addresses to complain to and continue to keep people informed. Thank YOU

I am truly sorry that a few irresponsible violators have created enough damage that the entire sport of OHV use has been disciplined. Like all wilderness sports, the ethical participants must police the rest, or restrictions come down from above.

This article is expressing this same frustration I have about the disconnect that is so obvious between the public and the government agency that is in charge of OUR forests.

Iron-handed use of authority.
The forest no longer belongs to the public. It is the King's Forest.

It's absolutely astounding that we can be locked out of public lands like this.
In the Hayfork District this fire season, roads were closed to public use most of the summer, which would be understandable if there was a fire burning near it or if there was fire traffic using it. But it was a blanket closure throughout the district regardless of where the fire was. This has never happened before around here.

People seem to be conflating "locked out" with "not being able to do whatever you want, whenever and wherever you want to do it." They're not the same thing.

The Forest Service is a land-management agency. The operative word is "management." They have a Forest Plan, vetted through the public participation component of their NEPA process, that prescribes the recipes for that management.

It's too bad when a particular group of users such as ATV or 4WD enthusiasts includes a small subset of participants who, owing to the destructive capabilities of their hobby and their own disregard for rules, force the Forest Service to limit the access of the whole group of users to small areas where they can be carefully managed. Maybe with more effective self-policing by these particular user groups, the Forest Service could cut the groups more slack.

Frankly, though, I've not seen a lot of evidence that ATV riders as a group are ever going to be effective at self-policing. When riding with them, I get the impression that the prevailing opinion this: "This is our forest, and we can do whatever we want here."

As long as we stay on the roads, why should they care?

I will still ride, they can't stop me if they can't catch me!

Bob, this isn't just about OHV riders, the US Government is closing access to National Forests to everyone. These are further examples of the laws Clinton signed before he left office. This is more Socialistic Government tactics coming from the extreme left. The forests belong to the people of the United States, restricting riding in certain areas is ok, but denying access to anyone is plain criminal.

It really is too bad that you rode with the wrong group, to think that ATVer's are destructive to the forest. I really feel sorry for you!
I love to go riding my ATV to look at waterfalls that you cannot see with a car or truck.
I have seen alot of wildlife also that I would not have been able to see otherwise. The views that I have seen are spectacular that you could not have gotten to with a vehicle. I have rode thru a dead forest that was burned by lightening, What I mean by dead forest is that there was not a sound that could by heard, Even by the ATV's that I knew was not that far ahead of me, I could not even hear them. It was so errie that it was beautiful because it was a natural process of life going on.
I have even found some old mines that were forgotten about. The groups that I ride with have an unspoken rule of what you take in you take out.
I Love The forest & I want to continue to ride in the forest to see these beautiful scenes that I have described.
I agree with Dale to have our forests shut off to us will eventually shut it down to the rest of you.

Still blaming Clinton? The Smirking Frat Boy has had almost 8 years to rescind Slick Willy's Executive Order - 6 years with a Reichwing controlled Congress. What did Bush do? Bush doesn't care about our access to public land - he has a 1,600 acre ranch and all the trails he wants to ride.

Keep towing the party line. Bravo!

"Managing" the forests by closing them down isn't management at all. What is the purpose of closing this many roads? Is it to give the roads, "Time to heal" or are they going to go in and actually fix the roads? Is there a time frame for when they will reopen the roads? If they don't have a plan for reopening the roads in the near future then this isn't forest management at all. This is like if the management of a big company managed all of their employees by firing them all. There ya go! They're all managed permanently now! Once you stop access and all use of the forests with no plan to reopen them it's no longer called management. It's called, "Forest guarding".

How are we supposed to gain access to these areas? On foot? For many reasons that is impractical for most people. So is this a punishment? It sounds like they saying, "A few of you damaged a few roads so now nobody gets to use any of them...EVER!" This just doesn't make any sense. The poster that used the phrase, "The King's Forest" was right on the money. It's OUR forest. We shouldn't screw it up but at the same time it's still OUR forest to use and enjoy. I have the right to use it. Who are they saving it for now? Our children? The deer and the birds?

The forests will still be closed when my children's children want to use them. How am I supposed to show my kids the beauty of the forests? I guess we can drive by the edges of the woods and I can tell them about the creek and the animals inside of the gates that they won't ever get to see with me. The people who made these decisions are more than just misguided, they are evil. I hope they pay for what they've done.

I feel that you work for the USFS. That is way you think that it is ok to lock US put, no I am not an OHV person but I have seen the forest dis-service close roads with no regards to how they actions may affect the people around them. Two prime examples are they decommission a road on Labor Day after they said that it was not going to be touched. This road has not had a car or truck on it in over the 30 years that I have lived up hear. A landslide closed it. Locales OHV-ers used the road as a connection to other roads that they now cant get to without going down the 36E 3 miles. This road was 3.8 miles long at $60,000 per mile $228,000 to closed a road that ATVs had a hard time going over because of all the Green Trees that where growing on it.

I agreed with you. The forest dis-service wants to closed all the roads and then say that it is a roadless area and no roads can be made there. I have gone out to cut fire wood and the next day the road was gone. THey dont gest put up a gate so if thereis a fire we can get to it faster, no they use heavy equiptment to rip up the road base and cut down Green Trees in to the road. If they say they dont they LIE.

Many of 1,198 miles of "unauthorized" roads and motorized trails that the Shasta-Trinity NF inventoried over the past 3 years are old, temporary logging roads that were never closed. Yet they were not formally added to the Forest's road inventory either. They continued to be used by the public for decades. Many "unauthorized" routes access primitive campsites, vistas, fishing and hunting areas. The Forest Service proposes to add only 3.5% of these "unauthorized" routes (32 miles of roads and 11 miles of trails) to their road system even though they acknowledge annual sales of ATVs and dirt bikes in CA were the highest in the U.S. for the last 5 years. The rest of the routes (1,155 miles) will be closed to all motor vehicles. It gets even worse. The Forest Service also proposes to restrict non-highway legal vehicles (OHVs) on all 1,359 miles of their system "passenger car" roads. Most of these roads are unpaved and have safely been enjoyed by OHVers for decades. The FS has provided no explanation why they are proposing this. Environmentally sustainable oppportunities for OHV recreation will be greatly restricted on the Shasta-Trinity NF under the current proposal. If you don't speak up during the Forest's planning process, don't be surprised with all the motor vehicle prohibitions in the final plan. Non-highway legal vehicles have the most at stake. If you ride an ATV or dirt bike, you lose 2,514 miles. We need a better plan that provides the resource protections we all want with considerably more opportunities for public access and recreation.

Perhaps you folks should take a look at the law requiring route designation.....The travel management rule directs the FS to conduct travel analysis and develop the "minimum sustainable transportation system". I for one, think that the Shasta-Trinity needs to shut down more roads to provide more opportunities for quiet recreation activities.....All of you rabid OHV nuts have tens of thousands of miles of roads open on FS and BLM lands across Norcal......If you were not so lazy, you might try walking through the woods for a change....I am tired of your incessant whining...Get a life!...

I'm with you, ca.
I ride a dirtbike and a mountain bike. I go backpacking and hiking. I learned "zero impact" techniques from backpacking and use them anytime I am in the woods... or for that matter, anytime I am anywhere. I teach my kids the same thing. We dont leave the trails and we dont leave any trash.

Thank you for taking the time to write this, Dale. The fact that the Forest Service is trying to push this through without honestly considering comments from the public is sad, at best.

It's obvious from the comment by "WalkingMan" that the Forest Service has successfully shielded the public from the vast impact these closures will have on ANY use of the Shasta-Trinity National Forest.

The economic impact of these closures is obviously not being considered. I know how much money I have invested in dirt bikes that myself, wife and daughters ride. We just go out and putt along remote trails where we're safe from the congestion of OHV Areas. We take our trash with us, stay on the trail and enjoy some of the best physical and mental exercise that you can get. (My 7 year old daughter, admittedly, has her rabid moments!) We help keep local businesses in business, gas up (fueling the state and local governments) and, well, we have to eat. The quality family time is priceless.

If the "final" maps reflect what is being "proposed", we'll respect the law. We'll still ride--we just won't ride in the Shasta-T. We'll go into forests where the Forest Service believes their motto: "Caring for the Land and Serving People". Places where they do the job that my money contributes to their paychecks. Where they have the public's opinion in mind and aren't afraid to stand up for us.

I think there is a happy and fiscally reasonable medium that can be reached. I think the land can be used by everyone, regardless of what their idea of "recreational opportunity" is.

> I feel that you work for the USFS.

Oh, you feel that, do you? I was a government employee for a total of two weeks -- a state grain inspector at the Port of Sacramento as a college student -- until Jimmie Carter's Russian grain embargo virtually closed the port. But those two weeks were enough for me -- I've been private-side ever since (unless you count teaching in the UC system for a few years after grad school).

> I feel that you work for the USFS.

Oh, you feel that, do you? I was a government employee for a total of two weeks -- a state grain inspector at the Port of Sacramento as a college student -- until Jimmie Carter's Russian grain embargo virtually closed the port. But those two weeks were enough for me -- I've been private-side ever since.

It is enlightening to realize that the Forest Service proposes a policy that states that all trails are closed unless they are specifically marked open. This means that they can close everything by simply doing nothing.

Land "Management" implies that the Forest Service would do something other than close all trails to all recreation. However, this is what they are trying to do by ignoring all of the public participation and input that has occurred. Those of us who participated in the process and believed that the Forest Service actually wanted to do something besides close all trails are fuming at this point.

You think it doesn't affect you?
Do you ride an OHV in the Forest? Sorry, you're not welcome.
Do you ride a horse in the Forest? Sorry, you can't park your truck and trailer.
Do you hunt in the Forest? Sorry, no jeeps or pickups off main roads and definitely no camping.
Do you fish? Sorry, no parking off the road at your fishing hole. In fact, no driving on that road TO the fishing hole.
Are you disabled and can't walk long distances to your favorite spot? Tough.

The Forest Service seems to have it's own prevailing opinion of their land management role: "This forest belongs to the Forest Service, and we dont' want anyone else in it!"

It is unbelievable how ignorant some people can be about these "service roads"... There was a LOT of thought and research done by we, the citizens, in the inventory of the 1,000 miles plus of roads and trails. Almost ALL of these lead to areas where you CAN walk quietly through the woods. Without these roads/trails, literally hundreds, if not thousands, of scenic, beautific spots will become unreachable. (Unless you are Super-backpacker, and can walk hundreds of miles up these now-closed roads...)

It's disappointing the way our employees, from this crummy little town of Redding all the way to the feds and the Forest Service, make the rules for us instead of serving us. It's a wonder we ever got along without them. The only answer I can think of is to give them a raise so they will be more conciseness about serving us, their employers. Also, it gives me a warm feeling that they have such a good retirement after serving the us so well.

"All of you rabid OHV nuts have tens of thousands of miles of roads open on FS and BLM lands across Norcal....."

I would like to see these "tens of thousands of miles of roads" you mention.... Since most of the roads are (being) designated as "Highways" and by definition, OHV means Off-HIGHWAY-vehicle, most roads cannot be used by dirt-bikes/quads, etc. This leaves the undesignated Forest Service roads, and now these are going away....

In response to all the posters that talk about how the OHV community is causing this closure, I have seen that almost ALL the OHV community spend a LOT of time in maintaining roads and trails, while the Forest Service does NOTHING. Maybe there can be a compromise between the FS and the OHV community, open most of the roads/trails, and have a joint FS/OHV maintenance agreement for these...

And to poster 3343:
"As long as we stay on the roads, why should they care? I will still ride, they can't stop me if they can't catch me!"
You are part of the reason this is happening. Antagonizing government officials only makes it harder to get them to agree to anything!

I firmly believe that power hungry bureaucrats that direct the USFS has decided that the way to manage the forest is to close it to the public. I believe that the BLM has the same mandate. I am not talking just about OHV users but all citizens.

I further believe that while the budget of the USFS has reduced the number of Field Personnel who perform a real service, the staff continues to grow without any real purpose (staff means power).

Ultimately they are all under control of Congress… we must all be aware of who we elect and make them accountable.

It appears it's actually time to "Jump on the bandwagon"!!

I spent my fair share of time running off to Forest "SERVICE" meetings, with every good intention of assisting in selection of trails and roads that OHV users could access.
I was assured that mine and others inputs would be of GREAT VALUE in trying to maintain a cohesive and equitable set of trails and roads for OHV use. Now it appears that I’m force to stay out of the areas pretty much all together. Also according to the
Forest “SERVICE” and the DMV, I must continue to pay the ever increasing fee for a GREEN STICKER (which you MUST have to LAWFULLY use an OHV in National Forest Lands) for places I have NO access to. It seems to me that it would make much more sense to keep designated areas open, so that those of us that are respectful users aren’t at some point forced to become OUTLAWS by riding in places we aren’t supposed to be.

It has ALWAYS been my understanding that all NATIONAL LANDS (including BLM Lands) belong to the PEOPLE… You know, like in “We the People “!!! Have the Bureaucrats completely forgotten who the heck the “SERVICE” is for and WHAT the word “SERVICE” means. I think maybe I need to send someone a dictionary.

The question really remains “WHAT’S NEXT” ??

Good comeback to Bravo. They will keep towing the party line because they listen to Rush Limbaugh and get their daily class assignment. If it wasn't for Limbaugh most of these partisan folks wouldn't have an opinion.

I was told by a FS ranger that they did not want us "on our land". Yes, she actually used those three words. This was in response to hold a boy scout event in and area managed by the "Forest Circus"

With climate change and fire hazards increasing it sounds prudent to me. Hot mufflers, gas and oil and cigarettes and lead bullets are productive at starting fires. then there is the erosion when rains come. Respect for usage by everyone is good but I see so much me, me ,me and mine, mine, mine from selfish people who are abusive to others. Sometimes taking a little kid through the forest and see a deer or bear is very educational and birding is fun for many people. With so few forests left it is nice to share with others. Only 1000miles of rivers are left of 20,000miles that have been developed, logged, dammed and mined. No wonder there are so many neurotic hateful people around. It gets worse in the cities. An old saying is you don't know what you got till its gone.

I have been to BLM meetings I have herd what they have to say. They don't wan't to listen to us. All they want to do is close down certian OHV areas so that there is limited space to ride. In turn we will end up hurting or killing each other. So they can close down more areas that we have had to enjoyed in the past.

This is the same as talking with the city counsel. They listen and go ahead with their plan, because we the tax payers dont understand the big picture or their agenda.

Let them enforce it. Just post a lookout and ride all day. They have very very few USFS law enforcement and they cant afford more. Ask the pot growers.

If I were a government worker, I'd' turn a blind eye to anyone riding an OHV in the woods. The forests belong to the people. They are large enough that all can use them.

In my opinion this current USFS "lock out" is being done under the guise of a budget issue. Heywood will likely claim the reason for the lockout is that they don't have the money to maintain 1200 miles of roads.

Reality is something else.

This is an elitist move. Simple people, blue collar types, like to ride OHV's, hunt and fish. The scholarly eco-snob elites prefer more genteel pursuits in the woods. To be honest, I am not completely comfortable with either group. But I think the OHV and 4 wheel drive enthusiasts are CLEARLY getting screwed.

What right does the government have to go and lock the King (the people) out of his lands? These off road enthusiasts went out and mapped these roads for the benefit of the forest service, which then slapped them down.

BS!

The USFS wasn't maintaining these roads in the first place! Let people use them at their own risk.

By banning the use of these roads and assessing a fine and conviction, the Gov't sets itself up to profit at the expense of the free spirited. Another racket to fleece the people by taxing them on what they already own. Disgusting.

How much more we will be asked to endure? It's not in the American nature to abide by the rules, and I suspect we wont this time either. Let me be on the jury of someone facing charges for riding an OHV in the woods. What nonsense.

Remember the great all time favorite folk song “This Land is Your Land”? Stop and think about it for a second. It really hits home in the situation we’re in right now concerning OHV road closures. Originally written by Woody Guthrie in 1940, this song has a couple of additional verses, one being the “relief office” verse that Bruce Springsteen sings in his version.

Bruce Springsteen says: “the greatest song ever written about America. It gets right to the heart of the promise that what our country was supposed to be about.” Bruce further says in the opening of his version, “It’s easy to let the best stuff slip away”.

You can listen to Bruce Springsteen’s version of “This Land is Our Land” on You Tube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yuc4BI5NWU&feature=related

Let’s not let our trials and fun slip away! Once it’s gone and the roads have been closed we will never see them re-open again during our lifetime and our children’s lifetime! Please don’t let this happen.

This is good news for the Mexican cartel pot growers.

it' good news for the local pot growers

When the Forest Service decided to "better" manage the timber harvest look what it did for lumber industry and the local economy. Maybe they can do the same for the recreational opportunities in the north state as well. How can you argue with those type of results?

Maybe those who want to hike in the forest without the sound of a passing OHV or truck could go to the Wilderness areas designed for this very thing.
That is of course if the gravel roads (Highways) that lead to these areas are left open

You people need to hold your toungs when you talk about your government. The people in power know, much better than you, what is good for you. DON'T QUESTION AUTHORITY! And may God have mercy on our children.

I was worried when I first heard they wanted to know which roads people liked to use. Getting out in the woods for me helps reconnect and is good for the soul. I hope this is not taken away from the PEOPLE.

The sad truth is that after viewing the maps with all of the USFS's "acknowledged" trails (The maps that they showed us as the "Full-Inventory" of what's out in the Forest...the 1200 miles of trails previously mentioned) it was clear that:

1. The maps were incomplete.

2. Many "loops" weren't shown as such (they were shown as "dead-end" trails).

3. Many popular trails & Forest Roads are designated as closed/to be closed from previous decisions.

4. That no "legitimate" consideration had been made for the OHV community or the average "Recreational User".

4. USFS didn't reach-out to the "User-Base" to help determine designations (Oh, sure, they'll tell you that they've followed their "process"; however, they didn't reach-out like BLM does!)

Most importantly, it's is obvious that there is some kind of agenda here. Is there ANY other way to explain it?

It does, in-fact, follow the same path and provide the same out-come as Clinton's "Roadless Initiative".

That's the obvious agenda.

Wow I sure hope that was sarcasm.

It is a sign of the times my brethren.

Thomas Jefferson once said, " A little revolution now and then is good for the country"

What sayest thou?

First of all, lead bullets do not, and can not start fires. Read up on facts BEFORE you post. Secondly, all green stickered off road vehicles must have a spark arrester. Erosion doesn't even come into play on the main gravel roads that they are designating "off limits" to OHV'ers.

We pay a chunk of money every couple of years with registration fees that are supposed to at least in part, pay to keep these roads open.

I for one, have lost much respect for the decision makers of the STNF. You used to be such a good agency to work with. Now, you are closer to the jack booted thugs at BLM and DFG.

And people wonder why the average person thinks the government is bad...

What will the STNF do when they loose out on all the OHV funds that they will loose because of this is-service? Probably will cry they don't have any money. Oh yeah, they are already doing that...

One aye vote here.

"I learned "zero impact" techniques from backpacking and use them anytime I am in the woods... or for that matter, anytime I am anywhere. I teach my kids the same thing. We dont leave the trails and we dont leave any trash."

hey - us too!!! my kids will chase down any piece of trash they see regardless of whose it is

"Leave No Trace"
"pack it in pack it out"

these are not hard concepts... and I'm wondering how I missed this article! this is important stuff for our family!

Off highway vehicles (OHVs) are land vehicles mostly used for recreation purposes. As the name suggests, an OHV is usually not legal to operate on public highways, streets or roads. An OHV is instead driven on public or private trails, beaches or fields, or in the woods.

I put that in since I was not sure what OHVs were.
Because of the rough terrain and lack of enclosure, an OHV is often the cause of serious injuries and they damage the environment.

I don't know how many times I have come back to hike in pristine country to see it totally destroyed by OHV's and ATVs. For instance, they destroyed a stretch of sun dunes on a state park beach at Crescent City that has yet been repaired.

I hope they keep all OHVs and ATVs out of public land except for rescue vehicles driven by federal and state employees. If you want to see the park lands, hike and take your camera. Leave something there for years to come. If you have to take your dogs, put them on leashes.

Well thats fine zebrarcrat but next you won't be able to go in the woods with or with out your dog on a leach get a life open your eyes. Read the ridding(writing)on the wall. Save it for what? So your kids and there kids can't see it either.This land is our land and use it or lose it! Tread lightly please, education is the key to making our forest and wilderness available to all americans to use (hiking,biking,motorcycling,hunting,ect... ,

We're not asking to ride a quad or dirt bike on a paved highway. There are many unpaved roads out there that are used within the rules of the California Vehicle Code to connect one trail to another. These roads are not fun to ride, they're necessary to connect the fun stuff together. The alternative is to load everything back up in trucks or on trailers, drive a couple of miles and then unload--unreasonable. Beaches? You have got to be kidding. Fields and woods? That's what we're talking about here--where generations have been riding for fun, hunting, fishing, camping, etc.

We ride at our own risk and wear appropriate safety gear (the most important piece is inside our skull). We get "Prius-like" gas mileage and our vehicles are CARB (California Air Resources Board) compliant.

We arrange work parties to restore areas we damage. Our feelings are that this needs to be done or fragile sections will be ruined. We move trees that are down and trim branches annually. We construct "water bars" to keep hills from eroding. When we have organized rides, we consider the impact of riding up a hill in the spring, and instead go down that hill or use an alternate route. It doesn't take a 3 year study or a million dollars of tax payer money to do this, but I'll bet there is a Forest Service document that says this is against the law.

A couple of local organized OHV groups are teaming up with the Bureau of Land Management this month to help them with the restoration efforts at the Chappie-Shasta OHV Area to repair damage done by the Motion Fire. We are VERY GLAD to have BLM accept our help, it will save them time and money. It would really be refreshing if the Forest Service had this mentality and would allow us to assist them. If the Forest Service can't maintain the trails in dispute here, I suggest they donate these portions of land to BLM.

The majority of us are no different than you, we love nature, appreciate and respect it. There will always be a slice of the general public that will abuse anything, we try to educate people, tell them that what they are doing will have negative consequences. Google "tread lightly".

The Shasta-Trinity National Forest is 2.2 million acres. Wouldn't you agree that this amount of public land can be enjoyed by everyone?

Yeah, and law enforcement can't reach them because they can't use any of the roads.

You wrote: "The Shasta-Trinity National Forest is 2.2 million acres. Wouldn't you agree that this amount of public land can be enjoyed by everyone?"

If only what you wrote in your posting was true. I have not seen it. Maybe it is the work of the few that ruins it for the many. I know that there are state parks that are dedicated to OHVs in Southern California and it is working out there. I don't have an answer. I just know that it is not working here.

You wrote: "Well thats fine zebrarcrat but next you won't be able to go in the woods with or with out your dog on a leach get a life open your eyes. Read the ridding(writing)on the wall. Save it for what? So your kids and there kids can't see it either.This land is our land and use it or lose it! Tread lightly please, education is the key to making our forest and wilderness available to all americans to use (hiking,biking,motorcycling,hunting,ect... ,"

Education is the key. Your badly written post has made it difficult for me to completely understand what it is you want to say.

When I hike with my dog, I don't destroy what I am walking on. I don't run over other people who are walking or hiking on the trails. The other points of your post is so muddled I am not sure what you are saying.

"It really is too bad that you rode with the wrong group, to think that ATVer's are destructive to the forest. I really feel sorry for you!"

And I feel sorry for you that you have to drive when you could have walked or hiked. That is the real joy. Also biking on a bike is a lot of fun, pedaling on one's own power. Your machine makes too much noise. My friend and I sometimes goes horse back riding which is a lot of fun.

It's a very sad day when the wife and I can no longer put the ice chest and dog in the back of the Rhino and go back in the forest and expolore old mining camps, lumber mills, bridges, see the wild life and photograph nature. We've been doing it for years whether buy Dune Buggy, Land Crusier, Samori, ATV, or now Rhino. These closures continue and we have seen first hand the attitudes of those that enforce them. I guess my father was right when my 10 year old son asked, "Grandpa, what's a government employee?" My fathers response was, "Grandson, they are the other people."

I have shot a 30odd6 180gram bullet that sparked a fire so I don't need to look it up.
Who was that guy that started a fire recently? Many people don't keep their machines properly maintained and I know of 4 incidents of fires starting from mufflers.
The go on trails that get damaged. I have seen it. I don't care if you pay a million bucks a year. Its everyones property and I don't like your noise, fumes, dust, etc. Democracy for all not just a few like you.

" This land was once your land, this land was once my land but now it's not our land, this land belongs to a bunch of tree hugging hippies and illegal aliens with AK-47's who just want to grow pot on it "

la la la la la....

You wrote: "Education is the key. Your badly written post has made it difficult for me to completely understand what it is you want to say."

Well, I understand what YOU are trying to imply...that you're wiser, indeed, "better" than those that enjoy motorized transportation in the forest.

Thanks for making that clear. We like to know WHO(M) we are dealing with.

Your later-made points regarding "how" to enjoy these public lands go on to make this point (For us):

"We" don't embark on a mission to tell you how to enjoy "Public Lands"; yet, you do.

Isn't that interesting?

So, thanks for comparing what we're talking about here with the actions of a few "bad-eggs" over on the coast.