Joan Manning -

You wrote: "Professionals in drug addiction and law enforcement endorse Proposition 5."

Now, professionals in drug addiction I can understand endorsing Prop. 5; However, I'd like to know where you got your information about law enforcement endorsing Prop. 5.

The California Police Chiefs Assoc., California District Attorney's Assoc., Peace Officers Research Association of Calif. all oppose Prop. 5.

The premise behind this initiative is to keep non-violent drug-offenders out of the overcrowded prison system; however, no first time offender arrested solely for possession would ever be sent to prison.

Proposition 5 shortens parole for methamphetamine dealers and other drug felons from 3 years – to just 6 months.

Proposition 5 is strongly opposed by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) because it provides a way for those who kill or maim others while under the influence to avoid criminal prosecution.

Proposition 5 could provide, in effect, a “get-out-of-jail-free” card to defendants charged with crimes e.g. domestic violence, child abuse, mortgage fraud, identity theft, vehicular manslaughter, insurance fraud and auto theft, letting them effectively escape criminal prosecution altogether. If a violent offender is granted a hearing using “the drugs made me do it” defense, the burden of proof shifts to the prosecution to prove that the defendant should be held responsible for his or her crimes.

Proposition 5 goes far beyond the drug-dependent individual; it also applies to drug dealers. For example those found with up to $50,000 worth of meth would be treated the same as an individual user. We need to keep focused on helping those who are drug-dependent, rather than dealers profiting off addiction. Prop 5 treats meth dealers the same as an individual drug user.

Proposition 5 is universally opposed by organizations representing rank-and-file police officers, police chiefs, prosecutors and parole supervisors because they know that shortening parole for drug dealers will dramatically increase violent crime rates.

Proposition 5 sets up two new bureaucracies with no accountability, at a cost of hundreds of millions.

Proposition 5 falsely claims that it will save money, but in fact, costs will be shifted from the state to the counties, which may be forced to raise taxes.

Who let the dogs out, woof,woof, woof, woofwoof.

Man, that's the best I can come up with without more coffee. What a string of letter's to the editor we've been reading the last few days.

Descriminate for our children's sake!
George Bush is a great man?!
Pray for Constitutional integrity?
Who's the "real" Obama?

I'm kind of feeling like Michael Wiley when he finds gut piles in the middle of his road.

I was surprised not to find an article about the Eddie Money concert at Big League Dreams in the news. BLD was due to pay the city rent (cash) this year but due to Mantecia building a park for BLD and the bay area players preferring to play there, less driving time, Reddings rent is not going to be as much as expected. BLD has been such a disappointment that a couple of years ago Little Ken Murray lied on his radio program and announced an inflated amount of rent they were paying when in fact BLD was not even paying rent yet. This is one reason Redding would be wise to vote out Little Ken. I wonder if BLD is laughing at us right now and saying "We said we would bring Money to Redding"

Domestic Terrorist? William Ayers has never been brought to trial or convicted. He is a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois; he has written several books on education: he received the Outstanding citizen of the year award from Mayor John Daley's office in Chicago, he served on the board of directors of an innovative education reform institution funded by Walter Annenburg foundation with Obama, before Obama ran for office along with ten other board members. Do we require police checks of every member of a charitable board one might sit on? Oh, Ayers doesnt have a police record. Give me a break, right wingnuts.

Joan Manning, The failure rate for rehab is somewhere between 80% and 95% so while the twickers are locked up at least they aren't terrorizing the rest of us. I would support life in prison without parole for meth manufactures and large dealers, maybe even capital punishment.

"Give me a break, right wingnuts"

He is an unrepentent terrorist who on the morning of 9-11 said he wished his organization had bombed more. He was a fugitive for 10 years (or something like that) and then pardoned.

That the left thinks he is so great says more than the "right wingnuts" who are bothered by folks like Ayers.

Ansel R Wilson-Briggs
All I ever hear about the poor quality of our schools is that they need more money to do a better job. I believe the poor quality of the teachers should be addressed. Remember, you can't give a cull a raise and expect him to turn into a good man.

Blue: you wrote a fine fact-based posting and I don't disagree with your overall sentiment.
However, I would assert that the CPCA, CDAA, and PORAC are all labor unions and public relation organizations - just like the correctional officers association - and their support is more politically based and self-serving than having the best interests of the public at heart.

Joan Manning rehabs have never worked. What makes you think that throwing more money at it will make it better?

To all the wing-nuts who want to "protect marriage" by passing Prop. 8 - try reading all the letters in support of it, but replace the words "gay" with "interracial". Sounds kind of shocking, eh?

Forty years ago, many of the same "family-based" arguments being used against gay marriage were used by groups trying keep mixed race couples from marrying. Back then, as now, it took courageous judges to overturn laws that were clearly unconstitutional.

The troglodytes were wrong then, and they're wrong now.

Say No to Hate. Vote No on 8.

Did you have a gallon of Clinton Kool Aid or are you living under a rock someplace. Ayers and his wife confessed to be leaders of the Weathermen and were only let go because of a Liberal judge and an FBI agent agent that mishandled evidence. I remember that trial and it was a trvesty of justice. He also said after 9/11 that he wished he had done more. His books are socialistic in nature and his children's educational guidelines are straight out of the brain washing programs that Hugo Chavez and others use to teach our young what a bad place America is.
The man professes to hate America and its capitalistic ways and seeks change to more socialistic programs.

The problem being is that he fits right in with the current bunch of professors that can't so they teach and they teach far left socialistic liberalism. That the vast majority of Americans despise. The other problem is that people are also known by the people they associate with. Obama has a long history with this flake and is Obama's change going to be the radical left of Ayres.

The Rev. James Wilson doesn't know what he's talking about!
He can turn his church onto political advocacy very simply. All he has to do is tell his contributors that their contributions are no longer tax deductible.
What he advocates is a method of allowing political contributions to be tax deductible.
His claim that his First Amendment right to free speech is being harmed is absolute hokum. He's presenting a right-wing destructive Christian talking-point that has no merit.

Keep it up, Mr. Perreault et al. The more you right wingers scream that Obama has terrorist connections, is a closet Muslim, etc., the higher his poll numbers go.

Obama-Biden '08
Jeff Morris for District 2

Bush’s leadership is comparable to Jack Nicholson’s role as R.P. McMurphy in “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”, after the lobotomy.
His daddy complex has cost the life of 4,181 of our military and almost 100,000 civilian deaths due to military action since 2003. And there is no end in sight.
His war has doubled the National Debt to $10 trillion dollars.
He lowered taxes on the rich.
He invaded Iraq instead of winning in Afghan-Pakistan.
He loosened controls on Wall Street.
He has destroyed the faith & reputation of the U.S. throughout the world.
He should be ashamed to face the nation.

To all of the people that support the republicans. You are being lied to on a daily basis. They have bought up all the media so they can lie to more people. They changed rules of media ownership to accomplish this. Those rules were in place to prevent what the republicans have done.

My advice to you is stop not only listening to, but forwarding the lies of the republican party. And most importantly, stop voting for the crooks so we can get our free country back.

What you perceive as attacks on America by people you perceive as "Socialists" are your own false perceptions. Free run capitalism is what has brought us to this place where we are against a wall of reality. Everyone cannot live in their own personal kingdom of financial success simple because sooner or later the money will have to backed up with something. The something is usually a material resource such as gold, food, land etc. The game "monopoly" works fine on the kitchen table where you can push it all into a box when your done but trying to live it is another story that will over and over run into the wall of reality.

Wow... The RS sure has turned into a wing-nut publishing company for the last two days.

Stan Little gets it right... If the Rev. Wilson wants to turn his church into a political pulpit, he's free to do so... but his church will have to pay taxes. It works the same way for every other non-profit org out there... not just churches.

Then there is the continued barrage of letters regarding prop 8. When are these people going to stop trying to inject their religion into the constitution that serves all of us... religious or not? I suspect I know the answer... and it ain't pretty.

Finally, we come to the spate of nasty screeds about Barack Obama. Never have I seen a newspaper, which claims to not take sides in this election, promote such a one sided view... especially so close to election day. Granted, it does fuel the fire in the comment areas and gets us all fired up. But, I would expect, considering that one in three Shasta County residents (and maybe more) will be voting for Obama, that they could see fit to publish at least one letter that doesn't ask the same idiotic questions we've been hearing forever. All the false concern over "who is Obama, really?" is a thinly veiled attempt to instill unwarranted fear in white voters. These same people never ask "who is John McCain"... In a logical world (LOL), one would ask the same questions of both candidates. Both men have been vetted for many years now and are essentially clean, with the exception of some really old and unsubstantiated claims against both of them. One would think that would allow the conversation to be based upon issues... but low and behold... those issues don't favor the Republican candidate, so they want to focus on BS. Wow, big surprise.

Just got this in an email and thought I would share. BE AMERICAN!

In a recent interview, General Norman Schwartzkopf was asked if he thought there was room for forgiveness
toward the people who have harbored and abetted the terrorists who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks on America.
His answer was classic Schwartzkopf.

"I believe that forgiving them is God's function.
OUR job is to arrange the meeting."

who is michael wiley?

How about child molesters and sexual predators???

If that is what America is changing to, so be it. What say you?

David Perreault seems to be typical of angry conservatives who have managed to convince themselves that they are somehow being cheated in this election. It seems the forces of goodness and light are being vanquished by that ol' devil the liberal media, who are coddling, conniving and conspiring on behalf of the Evil One, Barack Obama, who by such reprehensible methods as eloquence, intelligence, knowledge and composed coherence is tricking the gullible American public into seeing him as a gifted leader pleading for the unity we so desperately need. What a scoundrel!

Whence arises this ardent conviction that conservative government has proven itself and of a right ought to be continued in office, and that events to the contrary are somehow blasphemous aberrations of justice?

There is certainly no source for this to be found in the useless pre-emptive war of choice in Iraq that is still simmering along after nearly five long years, to the tune of nearly a trillion dollars. It is not to be found in the record, astronomical national debt bequeathed to us by the borrow and spend Bush administration. No source can be discovered in the titanic economic collapse we find ourselves in the midst of, brought on by the fervent unregulated free market orthodoxy first planted by Reagan and fiercely nurtured by Bush.

Paradoxically, the real source seems to be in a massive, self-pitying, self-indulgent wallow in the muck and mire of victimhood, so loudly and frequently despised and reviled by conservatives as the refuge of the weakling liberals who want everything done for them. Despite this, conservatives seem to have found a new and congenial role for themselves as victims.

This self-deception is tragic, and if these angry people do not listen to McCain's own rejection of their divisive, fallacious delusions, then I truly despair for our country.

The problems we face are very real and very big, and if we put all of our energy into crying foul and into stoking up this awful partisan hatred, then history will simply pass us by, and the sound of our bitter family quarrel will be the last fading echoes of our presence heard in the world.

There is far too much at stake for us to continue on this path. Let us please recognize our commonality, and whoever wins, accept our own small personal measure of disappointment as the price of the unity we so desperately need.

His war has doubled the National Debt to $10 trillion dollars.
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Every body says his war. when it started, EVERYBODY was united behind him.

No, I don't want to continue with the war either, but say it right. This is America's war, whether you like it or not.

Your congress keeps funding "his war", so I guess it is OUR war.

Bring 'em home from every country that is not AMERICA!

The congress is dominated by DEMOCRATS! Where have you been? There is your free country.

BTW - Two new newspaper endorsements for Obama today... these come from a big-time swing state to boot - OHIO!

The Dayton Daily News AND The Toledo Blade have both announced endorsements for Obama.

I take the RS refusal to endorse a presidential candidate as a positive sign... It's certainly better than a McCain endorsement!

Then when should we start pursuing them?

Mccain says he knows how to get bin Laden.

When will he share this with the rest of us?

The lower the stock market goes, the higher Obama's numbers go.

It's the economy, stupid.

Ken: Yes, Conservatives as victims. Their shrill chorus will only get louder and more desperate as they begin to realize the rejection they face. I may allow myself some comfort in their disconsolation. There's a satisfaction in seeing the haughty humbled. Sore winners, sore losers.

"Has anyone noticed that the higher Obama's poll numbers go, the farther down the stock market slides?"

- The same could be said of the correlation between President Bush speaking from the White House on economic issues every day last week... On several of those occasions, the Dow actually fell when he made negative comments and rose when he said things Wall St. wanted to hear.

In reality, both your claim and mine are False cause fallacies... (look up "post hoc ergo propter hoc" in your Funk & Wagnalls). No conclusive evidence can be presented for either argument.

Or just look here:
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/posthoc.html

"The Latin phrase "post hoc ergo propter hoc" means, literally, "after this therefore because of this." The post hoc fallacy is committed when it is assumed that because one thing occurred after another, it must have occurred as a result of it."

It was a quote I got in the email. Didn't say I agree or disagree with it.

BTW, john, I am in Las Vegas this morning closing a deal for $11,000 worth of refurbished slot machines. Not bad for a part time business,eh. What are you doing with all your spare time?

Huckabee showed great insight and wisdom when he said "I'm a conservative, but I'm not mad at anybody". These days, a conservative who is not angry seems unclothed.

When are they ever happy?

We Conservatives are ALWAYS happy when democrats are unhappy.

Not really. I think everybody should just,

"be happy, don't worry".

Why should I care how you feel? Heck, I don't even know you.

All of us neede to say a prayer for nch3 and a great big BLESS YOU!

Just teasing heathen. It's a boring day. Can't wait for tomorrow morning. Time to bring some Vegas money home to spend in Redding.

:)

correction again: Ayers claims he never said that. What he said he meant was that he wished he could have done more to end the war. Ayers seems to be accepted as an exemlpary citezen where he is well known. I wish we had more people like him in Redding. Again, Ayers has full rights to work and circulate in our society. If he is a terrorist as you claim then why hasnt law enforcement taken him off the streets, wingnut?

OK

Uh, I think he said he was pardoned?

People who get pardons don't become prisoners, they become LIBERAL democrats.

Sore winners, sore losers.
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You dems should know all about that little statement. You lose often enough.

Now it will be your turn to crow for 4 years and then ours a gain

"All of us need to say a prayer for nch3 and a great big BLESS YOU!"

LOL... I don't mind people praying for me. It certainly can't hurt and is a nice gesture... even if I don't think it will actually accomplish anything other than promoting a friendly attitude. :-D

Good luck on the slot machine deal.

Great men in history

HST

Ike

JFK (Once and assasinated)

Richard (once and a start)

Ronny (Twice)

GHWB

GWB (twice)

Sure, change the topic. He didn't ask you to care how he feels, so why would you ask why you should care? Silly Neocon. You guys have trouble following a thought in a straight line, keep detouring back to your talking points and warm attitudes.

I guess I could be happy and not worry if there was much to be happy about and not much to worry about. Sounds like some kinda KoolAid, just ignore the mess the Republicans have left us and maybe it will go away.

Nobody's happiness should depend on another's unhappiness. It's not a zero sum game.

I trust, however, you are joking.

You may not know me, but you know what I think.

I don't care how you feel either. I don't know you.

You can fix our errors and we will be fixing ALL your screw ups in 4 years. At least we will try. It may take 8 years.

Vote out ALL incumbents! D's or R's.

I was joking.

Yes, I know what you think.

Don't always agree, but I know when you tell me, and, believe it or not, I listen.

Have you seen the latest? McCain is starting to stand up to the people at his rallies who are accusing Obama of being a traitor, terrorist, Arab, etc.

And they're booing him. His own rank-and-file are booing him because he's refusing to go along with the foaming-at-the-mouth craziness.

And he hasn't just done it once. He's done it repeatedly over the past couple of days.

Good for him. My respect for the man is partly restored.

You need to take a lighten up pill.

Life can be a bowl of berries if you let it.

The last three "Great Men" on your list are responsible for increasing our national debt from less than $1 trillion dollars to more than $10 trillion dollars.

The last one likely will go down as the worst president in history.

McCain is a RINO.

He deals with democrats.

He wants to be loved by democrats.

I guess he subscribes to, "Love thine enemy".

"And they're booing him."

- Sarah Palin is getting booed as well. The crowd at a Philly Flyers hockey game let her have it yesterday.

Watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4wQd_gbj8

So? JFK had his Bay of Pigs.

All great men had SOME good and some bad.

HST dropped the atomic bomb.

Temper justice with mercy.

CDAA is neither a labor union nor a public relation organizaton. The organization exists for training and legislative advocacy.

The last three "Great Men" on your list are responsible for increasing our national debt from less than $1 trillion dollars to more than $10 trillion dollars.
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If we hadn't wasted the money this way, we would have done it another way. If reps do it, it is wasteful and terrible. If dems do it, it went for a good cause.
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The last one likely will go down as the worst president in history.
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Do you think they will FINALLY stop talking about the peanut farmer? Now we have 2 lousy presidents to rave and rant about.

Obama will be next.

Sooooo radical1, does your statement mean we will be welcoming Scooter Libby into our "liberal" fold, or is it a pick and choose proposition? You seem to fond of winnowing information that only supports your own views.

omitted "be" preceding fond....

> If we hadn't wasted the money this way, we would have done it another way. If reps do it, it is wasteful and terrible. If dems do it, it went for a good cause.

Nonsense. Most of the federal budget is not discretionary. The biggest ticket item is the Department of Defense. Neither the Demos or the Repubs have the stomach to control defense spending.

The Repub "Great Men" on you list ran up almost $10 trillion in debt not so much by increasing spending over the Demo presidents that they succeeded (though they did that, too), but by cutting taxes and placing the debt on future generations.

Dubya, in particular, would have us believe that the war in Iraq was vital to our nation's security, but not so vital that we shouldn't pass the cost on to our kids instead of pay for it ourselves. He became the first president in our nation's history to cut taxes at a time of war.

Shame.

I'm glad to hear it. We should all follow your example more often.

Before the campaign started, and especially before Sarah, I think we all had a real choice.

It's too bad the McCain I think most of us respect has not been the one running for office this time.

Think where we might be if he had gotten the nod instead of W.....

You seem to fond of winnowing information that only supports your own views.
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As do you and ALL others here. What's your point?

"If he is a terrorist as you claim then why hasnt law enforcement taken him off the streets,"

Because he was pardoned.

"wingnut?"

See if you can make an "argument" without a personal insult. Keeps it more civilized.

:)

I understood the meaning.

RACIST CRAP!

Do you know what one of the best things in this country is?

Everybody can and does have an opinion.

I can't say I wholly disagree with your opinion. You sound like an intelligent person. I still like W enough to go have a beer and pizza with him, but I wouldn't want to see him back for a third term...don't start with McCain the RINO with me, either.

Vote out ALL incumbents!

If Proposition 8 passes, who will Republicans pick up in men's rooms?

Why is that racist? Obama hangs around with some pretty unsavory people.

"If Obama is elected it will give a lot of shady people power and that is not good for this country."

- And how, exactly, do you justify such sentiments? Surely you have a reason for thinking this is true? Will your reasoning withstand logical scrutiny? I doubt it...

If Proposition 8 passes, who will Republicans pick up in men's rooms?
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YOU!

Why do you think they call it a JOHN?

Boy, you stepped right into that one. I couldn't resist. Didn't want to resist. Didn't even try to resist.

GOTCHA

:)

If McCain is elected a lot more shady people will STAY in power.
And that is far more to the point.

Really?

Who and why would they STAY in power?

QUICK! look it up and copy/paste, omitting anything that doesn't suit you, of course.

Is it GrEyhound or GrAyhound?

Heathen, if YOU were elected, God forbid, wouldn't you take your friends and supporters with you?

If you HAD a certain religion, wouldn't you take that with you?

Actually, the only thing either one of these guys is going to change in their lives is the office they sit in.

I can't fault them for that. We all carry on our own traditions.

Wouldn't it be great if all nominees had to open their closets and bring forth ALL their skeletons for us all to peruse BEFORE they could run?

I have mixed feelings and its an uncomfortable feeling and I should have just kept my mouth shut.
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Don't EVER say that. We only have a few freedoms left and, I fear, they will be gone before too long.

If you want to know about Freedom of speech and other freedoms, talk to nch, mk, GW, and, man this pains me to say,...john.

These guys can speak volumes about our freedoms and how they can be taken away.

Darn, I AM a republican, right?

A random thought...I wonder if half way through his time in office, will we be calling for his impeachment?

That could be asked of either nominee.

Correction on Ayers being pardoned. I wanted to check my accuracy after I posted (not the best order to do things in). It appears Ayers was not pardoned. He had Federal charges against him and he became a fugitive until after the statute of limitations was up. Here are some tidbits though:

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground,"

From his wife: "In 1969, after the Manson family murders in Beverly Hills, Ms. Dohrn told an S.D.S. audience: ''Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach.''

How Ayers hid from the law:

"During his fugitive years, Mr. Ayers said, he lived in 15 states, taking names of dead babies in cemeteries who were born in the same year as he.

"Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,''"

So I will stick by the premise that is ok to mistrust people like him. He had a belief that the war was bad, and therefore it was ok to kill people he disagreed with. That is what a terrorist is.

If we have not tried to impeach Dubyah, it's pretty hard to imagine what the next guy might do to top him and instigate impeachment proceedings.

I read and hear on news of ATTEMPTS to impeach W. They just bhaven't got the process started. It is said that the papers are ready to go.

www.petitiontoimpeach.com

impeachbushbook.com

www.impeachbush.tv/impeach

These are questionable sites, but the call is out there. Many, many more.