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A well written argument.
I agree.

How about a "Protect the Constitution" amendment that prohibits using the constitution to take rights away.

The latest TV ad from the "protect marriage" crowd now lies about education.

Here are California Education Code excerpts - the truth that same-sex marriage will NOT be taught in schools. Certainly not elementary school.

51890 ..."comprehensive health education programs" are defined as all educational programs offered in kindergarten and grades 1 to 12,...to include the following subjects:...(D) Family health and child development, including the legal and financial aspects and responsibilities of marriage and parenthood.

What school teaches "legal and financial" concepts in elementary schools?

Any program in high school must have the input of parents and students:

(g) Evaluation of the program by the governing board of the school district with the assistance of administrators, teachers, parents, pupils, and participants in the program from the community.

51914. No plan shall be approved by the State Board of Education unless it determines that the plan was developed with the active cooperation of parents, community, and teachers, in all stages of planning, approval, and implementation of the plan.

And parents decide if their child will participate in any health education program at any school.

Using marriage by hiding behind lies about religion and children and promoting disrepect for our Constitution and courts shows Proposition 8 as a real threat to everyone in California.

Who threatens marriage? The very people who will "save" us.

Vote NO on 8.

"Ads promoting Proposition 8 argue that if the measure fails people could be sued for their religious beliefs and churches could lose their tax-exempt status." -- This is obviously and blatently untrue! -- And the lawyer who appeares on T.V. with this false information should be disciplined by the state Bar Association!

I guess the fewer Christians there are in this country the more acceptible it is to have same sex marriage and the possibility of a muslim (Obama) to run this country.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

LMAO... its comments like this that make me smile and giggle in the morning :) Thanks!

Those are just some of the positive results of fewer Christians in this country.

How about telling us something negative.

Here is the thing.. its not my right to tell someone else who thay can or cant get married to.. My bestfriend (aka roommate of the last 4 yrs is very gay) and im sure that one day her and her GF will get married... And when that day comes i will be there to support her... I am not gay... im very straight.. but i just dont see what the big deal is.. this is the same thing that we had yrs ago when black ppl and white ppl wanted to get married... and now they can.. and look its not a big deal.. my son is 2.. you better belive that when he is older he will understand that what makes ppl diffrent is not a bad thing.. that is the best part about getting to know someone.. if they are not hurting someone they its fine.. leave them alone.. let them have there marrage...they are not telling u that u cant be with the one u love..how dare u tell them!

Prop 8 is on our ballot courtesy of out-of-state money. It was written for, the signatures were gathered at the expense of, and the supporting advertising are all mainly from out-of-state.
Is this really acceptable?

Racism and sexism are untenable. In Marcoux v. Franklin, a case where a private lodge did not allow women or minorities as members. The state used its issuance of a liquor licence, to force the private organization meeting on private property to change its "discriminatory" practices. Blare the trumpets. Strike against bigotry.

Here is the issue, with the legal re-definition of marriage, for those of us who hold that marriage is a sacrament or religious covenant, the hand of the government will be able to reach into your temples, churches, and mosques to force an accomadation of homosexual marriage in your facilities. As marriage is re-defined by government, government will use its power to ensure that those engaging in these "discriminatory" practices are not found to benefit from them. This encompasses everything from tax exempt status to building scheduling.

Please vote Yes on Prop 8. It in no way changes the rights of Gays and Lesbians in California. But, it will forever change the rights of parents, children, and religious communties.

I saw a bumper sticker yesterday it said-

"Worry about your own damn family". So true here, how does being gay and married affect anyone elses family?

I dont want my children taught that it is o.k for men to marry men and women to marry women. I dont even want my kids to see it. Its not o.k. end of story! yes on prop. 8

Arguments can be made very well for either side... but the bottom line is the govt is changing a definition held dear by some God fearing people.

What is wrong with just recognizing a gay couple and affording them ALL the rights and entitlements that married people have BUT not calling it marriage (aka: civil union)? Most people would go along with this. Its their encroachment on what marriage has been defined as for centuries that most people do not want changed. And its their extemists who demand it that turns off most the majority which will rule here.

jesus is coming soon, hallelujah

If you want homosexuals to quit "doing it" then let them get married!!!!

vote no on prop 8. Stay out of other people's bedrooms and lives, and they'll stay out of yours..

This very issue was voted on in 2000, and California voters passed Proposition 22 by more than 61%, stating that a marriage is between a man and a woman. So how is it that four activist judges based in San Francisco can wrongly overturned the people's vote, legalizing same-sex marriage. The Supreme Court’s decision to legalize same-sex marriage did not just overturn the will of California voters; it also redefined marriage for the rest of society, without ever asking the people themselves to accept this decision. Marriage is a RELIGIOUS ideology, yet faces constant encroachment by a STATE government.

OK ortmm, you win, you are absolutely right. By the way, please do tell us where this church is with the liquor license by golly I'm on my way!

All the noise we hear about the threat from gay people and the need to "keep them in their place", is coming mostly from "christians" who are having a hard time following the teachings of Christ.

this issue among many others are just diversions to keep the dumb masses ignorant. hypothetically, say all the gays were eradicated who would they move onto next. probably the minorities, disabled, poor, women, then each other.

Depends on your world veiw. A biblical worldview will clearly believe that same sex marriage is wrong - which happens to be my veiw.

Legally speaking. Sure, a same sex marriage law has very little affect on my marriage. I do beleive its degredation of our society.

Way to go Scottydog8! BTW, happy belated birthday! We miss you.........

Yes, extremists. We see some here today. They are not advocating for gay marriage though.
Why don't Christian extremists turn off the majority of voters? Maybe they have and we will soon find out in November. What will these extemists do if the law, as it stands now, doesn't change?
Who should we fear more, extemists gays who have their agenda or extremist Christians who have theirs?

Only one side looks forward to the "end times".

As far as the definition of marriage and everthing that it entails. Well, there are so many things that are detrimental to marriage but curiously not enough to push for a constitutional amendment. Why don't you promote an amendment that says that a couple needs to be economically viable before they are married since we all know that economics can be a killer of marriages. How about a test for maturity to guarantee that a couple will work out their problems in an adult like fashion and not resort to childish antics. Or even a pyschological test to find out if one has violent tendencies to ensure that domestic violence doesn't mar the good name of marriage.

My point being that whatever marriage is and has been throughout the centuries, it's still boils down to two people that love each other and want to sanctify it in a manner of their choosing. This amendment wishes to take that option away from people and I don't think that in this country we should be limiting personal decisions made by two consenting adults who profess love for one another.

Vote no on Prop 8!

Why? Every time you put a limit on what someone does then it opens up and makes it easier for opportunities for someone to put limits on you.

Many of our laws regarding marriage were based on earlier generation's traditions and beliefs (i.e. bigamy, etc.) This would be just another law based on tradition and religious belief.

Do not get me wrong, due to my religious belief, I do not agree with gay marriage or the gay lifestyle, but our country was founded on principles to allow us to live and express ourselves in freedom. We were tired of being under King George's thumb, being taxed for every little thing, not being allowed to try to better ourselves but having to work at jobs our "class" allowed. Why return to all those restrictions?

Another thought, if I would seek to win someone over to believing how I believe, it would behoove me to not offend them by limiting their freedom.

When we limit someone else’s freedom, we limit our own.

Do you have some inside info???

Your position will never fly -- makes too much sense!!

Your children would have to be deaf and blind to not see gay couples in our society. Maybe teaching tolerance will help the children, and maybe they will learn that passing judgment isn't anyone's place.

Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract. If you believe it is about love or religion you are delusional. True most people have a religious figurehead of some sort perform their ceremony, but you need a license and a witness and signatures on a legal document to become married. And where do couples go to get divorced? Church? I don’t think so. They go to court to have their legal binding contract dissolved. So in essence if you are against gay marriage all you are truly saying is that you don’t think homosexuals should be able to agree into legal binding contracts. How trite.

men are a degredation of society. plenty of blame to go around.

BRAVO! This editorial is beautifully written and tremendously appreciated by me and I am thankful for the wonderful Thomas Jefferson quote. I am a Christian and same sex marriage does not bother me. I am bothered by the fact that some of my fellow Americans are not afforded the same rights and respect as those of us in heterosexual marriages. Another thing that bothers and deeply saddens me is how hate-filled some "Christians" become when faced with something they disagree.

Heh, thanks nomeg : ) And happy belated Bday to your other half as well, miss you guys too!!!!

Many times in these forums I have heard the hard core lefties refer to the Record Searchlight as "conservative."
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These lefties do not know what they are talking about.
This past week or so the RS has come out in favor of the $700 billion bailout, come out against prop 4 (parental notification for abortions for minor children), and come out against prop 8 (the marriage protection act).
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No matter who the RS endorses for president they will be endorsing a liberal.
The only conservative running was Ron Paul.
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Republicans, and Democrats will continue to argue about who is to blame for the messed up condition of America.
But the fact of the matter is that both parties are to blame, and liberalism is to blame.
Those who believe that GW Bush is a conservative are mistaken. He never was.
He (like McCain) is a liberal Republican.
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I repeat, it has been America's retreat from conservative values that has plunged us into the financial/cultural/societal mess we are currently in, and both parties are predominantly liberal.
Traditional conservative pillars like fiscal responsibility, non-interventionist foreign policy, and family values have been left in the dust.
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As for prop 8, whether it passes into law or not the truth will remain that "marriage" can only take place between a man and a woman.
A corrupt law by a corrupt government presiding over a corrupt culture cannot change the eternal, and unchangeable truth of God's Word, or the laws of nature.
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Like treebones makes clear in his 7:15 AM post.
The gay marriage movement is all about humanism which militantly opposes anything christian.

Uh, that was said facetiously.

You make no comment on the post I replied to that Obama is a Muslim?
That's odd for a self-proclaimed "seeker of Truth".

OK folks if there is no difference between a Heterosexual and a Homosexual person, why is it when a Heterosexual is assaulted it is called Battery and when a Homosexual is assaulted it is called a hate crime? You cannot have your cake and eat it too. I for one am sick of the special treatment that Homosexuals receive, if they are no different than anyone else, then they need to get off their bandwagon and blend into society. You don't see Heterosexual parades now do you. Yes on 8.

"A corrupt law by a corrupt government presiding over a corrupt culture cannot change the eternal, and unchangeable truth of God's Word, or the laws of nature."

Two problems:

a) There are no gods
b) homosexuality occurs in nature

"You don't see Heterosexual parades now do you."

Never heard of Mardi Gras, huh?

Bravo! It's good to see publications around the State supporting same-sex marriage. Ever since I was old enough to see it, some group of Christians has been trying to force gay citizens to be straight or disappear from society. At every turn, when gay folks wanted equal treatment and to be left largely alone to live their lives, there were these self-righteous hatemongers fighting back: no fair housing; no protection in employment; no teaching in the schools; no participation in the military; no frank education to stop AIDS from spreading (probably the most despicable thing the Right did); no decriminalization of adult private consensual sexual behavior; and no recognition (particularly not with "marriage") of same-sex relationships. I really appreciate people like Lee above who say "I don't approve but will not put my beliefs in the law." But that was never enough for these crusaders, and it still isn't. They can't apparently survive if they don't try to control other people. They feel entitled to discriminate and it matters not if they are cutting into equal protection or other sacred principles to do it. They demand things which they would never endure if they were turned on them. Can anyone really see straight people sitting still for having others take their marriages away at the ballot box? I really do not understand why some people are that invested in their hate.

Let's just rephrase Thomas Jefferson's quote for what WILL be the case in a few years from now if the ballot measure fails:

"[I]t does me no injury for my neighbor to have twenty wives or no wives. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

Why can't we legalize polygamy as long as it is between consenting adults? By the same argument, how does it hurt YOUR marriage? The number "2" being the only number allowed in marriage is just as arbitrary as limiting it to opposite sexes.

Oh, and the ad IS correct in that there WILL be lawsuits suing some churches for not marrying same-sex couples. Count on it as anyone can sue anybody if they pay the filing fee. Now whether it wins or not is another issue...

a hate crime is defined as : An offense committed against another person, with the specific intent to cause harm to that person due to their race, gender, sexual orientation or religion. This protects many different people, not just homosexuals. It would in fact protect you if you were attacked based solely on the basis of your religion. but, i guess in your small, closed minded world.. ignorance is bliss!

"the hand of the government will be able to reach into your temples, churches, and mosques to force an accomadation of homosexual marriage in your facilities."

- Absolutely untrue. The free exercise clause of the first amendment forbids any such intervention. BTW - Gay marriages have been happening for a while, has the government done anything to force your church to change at all? No.

"Yes on Prop 8. It in no way changes the rights of Gays and Lesbians in California."

- Yes, it does... it takes away their right to marry. All you have to do is read the description on the ballot.

"But, it will forever change the rights of parents, children, and religious communties."

- You're full of it. There is absolutely no evidence to justify such a claim.

Vote NO on PROP 8!

Bravoman, there are lots of ideas in that post, but no argument supporting taking marriage away from other people. Even if gay people are different in some ways from straights, as blacks are from white in skin color, is that your justification for denying them something as fundamental as marriage?

i'm for any kind of wedding, provided they furnish a meat and cheese tray, and have karaoke.

"Let's just rephrase Thomas Jefferson's quote for what WILL be the case in a few years from now if the ballot measure fails"

- Now you're rewriting the words of our forefathers in a ridiculous attempt to substantiate a slippery slope argument?

Sorry, pal, it doesn't work that way.

In order for a slippery slope argument to be valid, you must present evidence to support your claim.

No worries, I understand... evidentiary support has never been a strong suit among social conservatives.

Vote NO on PROP 8!

men 'marrying' men and women 'marrying' women is no different than brothers 'marrying' sisters, sisters 'marrying' brothers, mothers 'marrying' sons, fathers 'marrying' daughters, men 'marrying' multiple wives, women 'marrying' multiple men, 13-year-olds 'marrying' 13-year-olds, 40-year-olds 'marrying' 12-year-olds, etc etc. and is it also okay for two homosexual 'married' men to adopt 10-year-old or 14-year-old boys, or girls? the opponents of Proposition 8 simply seek state approval of what they know to be wrongful, harmful, immoral sexual unions, period.

Live and let live

screw gay marriage....

heathen is back!!!

disgusting... how dare you compare to consenting adults that are in love with pedophiles raping children. it's sad that I live in a world with idiots like you!

And by the way... yes it is ok for 2 homosexual men to adopt and raise children.

NCH

You never answered my question yesterday in regard to the newspaper, I am to assume that your silence is confirmation?

You state that Proposition 8 will “takes away their right to marry. All you have to do is read the description on the ballot”. Your statement is not true. Proposition 8 does not discriminate against gays; it simply restores the meaning of marriage and protects it as an essential institution. Proposition 8 does not take away any rights from gay and lesbian domestic partners or their right to freely enter into a civil union. Gays and lesbians in California can already enjoy all the legal rights and benefits of marriage. The California Family Code says, “domestic partners shall have all the rights, protections and benefits” of married spouses. There are NO exceptions to this. Proposition 8 will not change that.

There are already several lawsuits in several states trying to legalize polygamy. There are also many mainstream media articles about fundmentalist Muslims, Mormons, etc. who lead "hidden lives" as polygamists even here in California. But don't take my word for it; Google it yourself and see. It's simply the next logical step in redefining marriage to be a social contract between any number of adults of whatever sex.

The "slippery slope" argument was used when anti-smoking zealots proposed a ban on smoking in airlines and pooh-poohed the idea that smoking would ever be banned in public places. Guess who won on that one? (Which is actually fine with me as I hate smoking). All it takes is a foot in the door...

"You state that Proposition 8 will “takes away their right to marry. All you have to do is read the description on the ballot”. Your statement is not true."

And then you waste a paragraph by not backing up your statement.

"Proposition 8 does not discriminate against gays; it simply restores the meaning of marriage and protects it as an essential institution."

And "restoring" the meaning of marriage...

discriminates against gays!

Thanks for defeating your own argument.

"Traditional conservative pillars like fiscal responsibility, non-interventionist foreign policy, and family values have been left in the dust."

Since I share the ideas of fiscal responsibility, non-interventionist foreign policy, and family values you would think that I would be a conservative. However, I consider myself a liberal.

The reason that you don't have a "true conservative" in the race and probably won't for some time, is because voters want to hear what politicians are going to do for them. You don't usually accomplish something for someone by dismantling the infrastructure through which you would deliver on your promises. This is why governemnt grows regardless of whether it is controlled by liberals, conservatives, or moderates. It's not the politicians fault, it's our fault.

I vote Democratic because I prefer the way that Party grows government as opposed to the Republicans. The Democrats tax those that have to provide for those that don't. The Republicans borrow from my children to provide more for those that already have in the hopes that it will trickle down to those that don't. I think we now have enough empirical evidence to conclude that the Republican way doesn't work.

The family values thing is also a problem. Conservatives that supposedly advocate for smaller, less intrusive government, don't seem to have any problem with that government establishing family values for everyone. Witness the despicable case of the U.S. Government vs. Michael Schiavvo.

Fortunately we can agree on another thing. As you said:

"A corrupt law by a corrupt government presiding over a corrupt culture cannot change the eternal, and unchangeable truth of God's Word, or the laws of nature."

The First Amendement builds that necessary wall between church and state. Your beliefs will always be protected by it. You have nothing to worry about regardless of the outcome of Prop. 8. I'll be voting to assure that wall separates traffic in both directions. In other words, No On 8.

Nature and everything in it, is born, reproduces, and dies. Out of these three elements, homosexuals are only capable (or willing) to do two.

Also, homosexual acts may be attempted in nature, but it is not a normalcy and usually ends in violence. It does not "exist" in nature as was stated nor could it. If homosexuality was normal, then that group, or species would most certainly die off.

Gay marriage may not seem like a threat to some who are short-sighted, but if you look at the past, peaceful times have ended when liberal ideals and homosexuality has become prolific in a society. Try to look ahead, if we remain on this track, the United States is aimed for a fall.

I wonder what would happen if your kids turn out to be gay... Oh, never mind, I know what would happen... I've seen it one too many times. And please, enlighten me as to which school teaches kids about which kind of marriage is "right" in their curriculum... so I don't make the mistake of enrolling my kid there.

Have you been to zoo these days?

there's a chance that the child will grow up homosexual...WAIT! the same can be said of a child from a hetrosexual marriage. i think the child might grow up with a better understanding and tolerance for all people.
ps...i just love the film "the birdcage"

"Your statement is not true. Proposition 8 does not discriminate against gays"

- Sorry, but you are wrong - Here's the EXACT ballot description - "Proposition 8 - Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Initiative Constitutional Amendment."

Link:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm

Those who think preversion is acceptable in any society are the root of the distruction of that society!

Are you sure the government will force the churches to conduct same sex marriages? I've never heard that before.

terrydoo et al --
What should we do with "them?" We could use fire houses to "...spray the monkeys back into their cages..." like was done during the Civil Rights Movement.
This IS about civil rights, after all, and we certainly DON'T want everybody having those.

"There are already several lawsuits in several states trying to legalize polygamy."

- BFD... we're talking about Prop 8 which is trying to eliminate the right of same sex couples to marry... Polygamy is an entirely different issue.

"The "slippery slope" argument was used when anti-smoking zealots proposed a ban on smoking in airlines"

- And that somehow justifies your use of it here? No, it does not. Saying "but... they did it toooooo!" does nothing to substantiate your argument.

You haven't heard that before, because it is untrue. It is a scare tactic used by proponents on prop 8. Fear is all it is. Well, and ignorance.

"Those who think preversion is acceptable in any society are the root of the distruction of that society!"

- Who are you to define "perversion" for other consenting adults?

Agreed. I'm also starting to think that, for many that destruction, is the primary intention.

Perhaps you are referring to the extreme Christian society? Why do you think you can set benchmarks for everyone else? WHO gave you that right?

What's "preversion?" Is that version that's released before the current one?

What up g????

Hell YES on 8!! The round peg goes in the round hole and thus, children. Want benefits for not understanding the obvious? Dont think so.

YES ON 8!

too funny

Not too much. Just watching the stock market continue it's nosedive... :-(

How are ya?

sooo sad that there are people like you in the world, trying to run other peoples lives.

I'm not telling them they can't love one another. In my opinion a marriage should be between one man and one woman. I do believe though that they should have the rights of a married couple such as hospital visitations and health benefits just not the piece of paper to prove it. JMO

i don't like the idea of "same sex" marriage...my wife and i should have the right to have sex more than one way. having it the same way could lead to both boredom and divorce.

I am not denying them anything, if it passes then there it is. I don't like it therefore I am voting against it, simple as that. Mardis Gra is not about Heterosexuality, it is a celebration before Lent of the Catholic faith, but nice try. I understand fully what a hate crime is, my point is that it is time that all these agenda groups(homosexuals, minorities and religions) be treated as equals under the law if they want to be recognized as a normal members of this society. To say that you are the same as you and I, then expect special treatment under the law is a slap in the face to American society. I do not approve of gay marriage, and I do not owe anyone a reason, except that I believe it is wrong. Yes on 8!

Hosehead, Silverandblack, others, I totally agree with all of you who support this measure. I'm astonished the RS is against it. I plan to cancel my subscription immediately and only read the paper online.

It's perfectly clear to me that the Constitution was based on Biblical principles and was inspired by God. God says that homosexuality was wrong. Jesus never said that, but he's God's son and I'm sure he'd agree.

It's true the Constitution makes a pitch for "all men are created equal," or something like that. And it's true that gays are doing nothing illegal, which would lead some to argue that gay marriage should be legal. But this section of the Constitution was clearly not inspired by God and it doesn't apply to gays. I'm sure scientific studies will eventually prove gays are not really human.

The argument that gay marriage will lead to things like man/dog marriages or adult/child marriages is a very real fear. I know a girl who would like to marry her pet frog, for example: she's sure's it's really a prince. To me, this is a mistake. I've warned her and sincerely hope she listens to me.

In the past we've kept people who have not done anything illegal from having the same rights as the rest of us, and that worked out okay. Why change things now?!

I say, vote yes on 8: it's the logical thing to do.

For the sake of gaining back our civil liberties from the government, VOTE NO ON 8!!! Marriage is no longer just a religious sacrament and it's just plain ignorant to think that way. Don't forget, God does not want you to judge others.

Because a person does not agree with the liberal agenda, is no reason for name calling or insults. It is simply one person's beliefs over anothers. When the votes are cast, whoever wins is the choice of the people and that is that. I disagree with it, but if it becomes law I must live with it whether I like it or not. Too bad the liberals don't have that same ideology, if they lose, they sue and take it to court and get a judge to overturn the people's will. So sad!

I'm well.
You got stocks? Bummer man.

I'll be home soon, first week of November, enroute to SoCal.

In a scientific study at the US Sheep Experiment Station near Idaho, Montana & Wyoming, the following was found:

Why so many gay rams? Is it too much socializing with ewes? Same-sex play with other lambs? Domestication? Nope. Those theories have been debunked. Gay rams don't act girly. They're just as gay in the wild. And a crucial part of their brains—the "sexually dimorphic nucleus"—looks more like a ewe's than like a straight ram's. Gay men have a similar brain resemblance to women. Charles Roselli, the project's lead scientist, says such research "strongly suggests that sexual preference is biologically determined in animals, and possibly in humans."

IT'S BIOLOGICAL!!!

Then maybe you should teach your kids that you dont think its right. Once they get to a certain age they can make thier own decisions. Sounds like you think everyone else should be teaching your kids. Sorry but YOU teach your kids whats right and whats wrong and part of that is, that its not up to us to judge others for their choices. It may be wrong in God's eyes but that is for God to judge and you cant pick and choose whichever of God's rules you want to live by. Its all or nothing. So therefore teach your children its wrong to have same sex marriages and teach them its also wrong to judge other people who do believe in same sex marriages. Let those people into your life and do not judge. Treat others how you would like to be treated and live by ALL God's rules. I do not believe in same sex marriages but I will not discriminate against either. To each thier own and they must answer to God when the time comes. I must answer also so I live my life by God's rules.

Yes, it's a genetic deformity that's basically saying Nature/God/evolution/whatever doesn't want your defective genes to be passed on to another generation so they made it less likely for them to be passed on by making you attracted to the same sex (thus naturally being disinclined to reproduce). That's one explanation. Other studies have also shown that such genes are "switched on" if a gal's family has too many women and so this is nature's way of preventing overpopulation. Basically, it all comes down to one thing: nature is telling such people "Please don't reproduce".

couldn't have said it better my self!

"you cant pick and choose whichever of God's rules you want to live by. Its all or nothing."
"I do not believe in same sex marriages but I will not discriminate against either. To each thier own and they must answer to God when the time comes."

christians like you is exactly why. god forbid you ever lift a finger except to pray and behave morally superior to the rest of us never risking anything for your fellow man other than to sit back and allow it to happen. god gave you a brain didn't he?

Very well put!

Look what's happened to this country. We are taking quote "In God We Trust" off of U.S. currency, we are trying to pass Gay Marrage Law's, The whole world is currupt and going crazy, now the Government is talking about a one world system, wake up everyone, isn't what the bible said would happen? Next people that can't see through Obama who it was proven to be friends with the terriorist organizations. Wants to make it mandantory that your business that you work for pay healthcare for your children or they get fined, don't you think that will put more strain on your company therefore can't afford to hire, and last he is Democrat and may take our guns away! That will be next... so if you are American, vote Republican, Vote yes on 8 and let's put God back into our Govenment:) Okay, McCain has his issue's too.. but between the two, we are much safer with McCain and he seem's more knowledgable. I believe many others feel the same.Yes you will have those who dissagree and that's why we are in the situation we are in today. So is it lack of common sense, or just that you just don't care. God Bless all of you!

I just have to throw my hat into the ring on this one. I'm old enough to remember the days of "bra burning" outside of all male clubs. That was utter nonsense then, and this is utter nonsense now. Replace "all male clubs" with "married couples", and the parallels are crystal clear. Should gay couples have equal civil rights to benefits --- absolutely. But "married couples" should remain a "club" of distinction and the government should stay out of the picture. The negative effects of govt intervention in the bedrooms of the nation are very real, not imagined. On the part of gay couples, it seems to be a quest for validation. When I lived with my first girlfriend, society at that time shunned unwed couples living together. Obviously that has changed. Since then, I have unabashedly stated that I have lived "in sin" with various women, and it is of no consequence or disfavor to me financially or in a societal sense. Gay couples appear to have experienced the same acceptance and as far as I'm concerned this is now just a case of "pushing the envelope." A person's race or religion shouldn't bar entry, but gender? Give me a break. The "marriage club" doesn't need refining, it already has one of each, and nobody seems to care "anymore" what race or religion either one of the two members belong to. As a kid growing up, it wasn't a secret that some couples were gay -- and lived together. I can appreciate what a contentious issue this has become, but society has, in my opinion, already dealt with the issue. Leave gender specific clubs alone; if women want their own clubs, then go for it (they can keep Bed, Bath and Beyond)'cause that place scares me. I would vote to leave the marriage club alone, because the alternatives are ridiculous and unnecessary. Is it the road to society's distruction? Tough call, but the old adage comes to mind: If it's not broken, don't fix it.

Prop. 22 was a voter approved statute, so not part of the State Constitution. It was easy for the activist judges to do what they did.

Prop. 8 will become part of Our Counstitution and safe from being overturned by the courts

GO PROP 8