What a sad way to head into the holiday season, My thoughts and prayers are with you in this terrible time!

I just heard on the news she was fooling around with her cell phone charger. Yesterday, an accident in Chico, while the driver was text messaging, and Mr. Moule looking at a computer.

i heard the same thing, very very sad.

Why are we having to reinvent the wheel again and again? Don't people read enough about the tragedies that befall those who choose to txt or do anything else that distracts from the primary job of driving your vehicle? Laws will not stop this... but people are not demonstrating good judgement when they create these situations. These are NOT accidents but a result of a willful act that caused the driver to "lose control".

Finally, we have all these kids taking drivers ed to get their license. There has got to be a way for them to learn about the evils of overcorrecting before it happens in real life. This is such a simple concept in driving but people just cannot learn or retain it.

My dad is a truck driver, has been since he was 18. That is how he learned to drive. Ever since I was a little girl I would always go with him and he tough me how to drive through experience. He taught me how to drive in the rain, snow, wind, and any other driving condition imaginable.

We are not perfect and we have all messed with something at least once while driving, its unfortunate her grandmothers life was the cost of it.

My praryers are with her for a speedy recovery. And with her family for their tragic loss.

There are many driving schools that teach this kind of driving, most people won't pay the money it costs to attend.

This was NOT an accident, this was someone not paying attention to thier driving and someone paid the ultimate price.

You keep saying this over and over again, and I'm interested in hearing about it. Can you give an examples? Resources? I have never ever heard of a school like this that would take a 17 year old like the girl in this crash.

Thunderhill race track in WIllows has teen driving classes. They are offered a few times a year. www.thunderhill.com

BMW winter teen driving school, Skip Barber driving school, Richard Petty NASCAR driving experiance. All of those teach how to control your car when it goes out of control. Those are just a few. I am sure a google search can come up with more. These classes cost alot of money but they are out there.

One more reason to make the minimum driving age 18.

Ok cool. That's pretty awesome that they do that, but most kids can't afford it, and if they did make the minimum driving age 18, most kids also wouldn't be able to get a job until then. I've been working since I was 16, and wouldn't have been able to if I couldn't drive. I think it would be fun, and a pretty awesome learning experience, but I am just a poor college student...bummer. I'm sure most parents would like to be able to pay for that for their kids, and most kids would have fun going to a school like that, but if it's expensive, most people can't. But hey, thanks for the names of those places i5trucker, that's pretty cool.

What I don't understand, and it is too late, anyone under the age of 18 can not drive after midnight. Why would a 17year old girl be driving her Grandma at 2:50am?

She was with her family... I don't think she was violating any laws. That law is specifically to keep the teens off the street when they are apt to get into trouble. Driving grandma for whatever reason at not matter what time shouldn't put her at risk for violating any law we have.

The wreck happened 21 hours and 10 minutes before midnight.

I absolutely disagree with making the driving age 18. If we did that, our children would move out and start driving all at the same time. This would mean NO supervision, nor any thought of what if I get in trouble because mom and dad will not be there to make them face consequences.

I am sure that she was being as safe as any of us are normally, her grandma was with her. It was an accident. We can blame cell phones and their chargers, radios, etc but there will always be something. This girl will live with this the rest of her life. May her grandma rest in peace and may she have the strength and family to deal with this tragic loss.

maybe they were traveling together and just got off of a flight or were just hitting the last leg of their trip.

Maybe grandma was a cool grandma and they went to a concert somewhere together and grandma was too tired to drive. maybe, maybe, maybe..... it does not strike me as funny that she was driving her grandma at 3 am in the morning.

Teens can't drive past 11:00 pm.

Under the age of 18 that is.

By the time a person reaches the age of 18 they should be mature enough that they don't need mommy and daddy to hold thier hand while driving a car. 16 year olds for the most part are not mature enough. Also, an 18 year old is a legal adult and responsible for thier own actions whereas a less than 18 year old is not.

Also....If a teen waits until he/she is 18 to get a drivers license, they wont have to take DMV's behind the wheel test, a learners permit or have the required 50 hours behind the wheel with parent. All they have to do is go in the DMV and pass the written. Which explains alot why certain people have a drivers license....that shouldn't.

(This info was given to me by an employee of a driving school today...so don't rag on me if this info is wrong everybody)

I am not sure if the laws have changed, but I got my license when I was 18 and I had to take the behind the wheel and the written. (not ragging, just my experience):-)

My neighbor told me that the law has been changed now == can't get a license until you are 18.

Has there been any updates on Mr and Mrs Moule? Does anyone know their conditions?

I too would like to know of their condition, if anyone has any info. Have a great night.

As of a few months ago, unlicensed adults must first take the written to get a permit, then the behind the wheel for their license. If you already have an out-of-state license, you can just take the written.

People can say what they want and there are many controversial issues related to this accident that we could sit here and argue about. But take a moment and think...this could have been your daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece or friend. She was there and knows what happened, and has to live with it forever! And we ALL have to admit that sometime once or twice in our driving lifetime...we have been distracted, taken our complete attention from the road for just a second. Maybe even drifted over the line a bit or came close to another car. Felt your heart sink to your stomach, felt the rush of PANIC or adrenaline take over, but been lucky enough to be able to say "Woo, that was close" or "Ooppss" even "SORRY". Avante and Ruthie didn't get that lucky. It is tragic what happened and yeah there are many, many she shouldn't have been this or she should have done that. Even why was she this or that. But when it comes down to it, it happened, it was an accident and it is Avante who asks herself each of those questions everyday...Why, I shouldn't have, I should have done this, or that. Why her and not me?
Here is a little bit to answer some of your questions...there is no way she could do a class like you guys are describing. She practically supports herself. Goes to school and works. She lives with her grandma's ex-boyfriend and his new wife. Because of complicated circumstances in her family. And he is on disability and can't really support her, so she works. He was driving her everywhere and taught her to drive, but it was too much for him so she got a car to drive herself. I don't believe Ruthie had a drivers license and that is why she was not driving. Avante would not have been able to continue school and work if she didn't drive, then what would she have done? Drop out of school? Go live on the streets? She is a 17 year old that has raised herself practically and she killed her grandmother, she has to live with the guilt!! Can't someone think about the support she may need to continue on a good path and not give up trying to have a better life than was handed to her?

DITTO