I can’t believe people think that just because Palin didn't suck as bad as she did in the Couric interview, that she done good (to be all folksy). Talk about giving her a low bar. Hey, I didn’t bend one out of 25 nails I pounded into a fence today… maybe I am a “perfessional” like Palin.
If all she had to do in order to meet expectations was to answer questions (without dead space or factual screw ups), then she pretty much failed. More than half of the time she didn't answer the questions at all. For example, when asked about household debt, she talked about energy. When asked about Pakistan, she talked about Iran.
Of course, the republican’ts stated up front that Gwen Iffel was a biased moderator, so they would have something to fall back on. Kind of like saying you have a sore shoulder before the softball game.
I love how she somberly promised parents of special-needs kids that they would "have a friend and advocate in the White House." She is running with McCain, a man who voted against increasing funding for special-needs education, “fer gosh sakes… I guess I jest don’t know about them Washington insiders since we is a cupple of REEL MAVERICKS…”

Taibbi points out that, “Palin's charge that "government is too big" and that Obama "wants to grow it" was similarly preposterous. Not only did her party just preside over the largest government expansion since LBJ, but Palin herself has been a typical Bush-era Republican, borrowing and spending beyond her means. Her great legacy as mayor of Wasilla was the construction of a $14.7 million hockey arena in a city with an annual budget of $20 million; Palin OK'd a bond issue for the project before the land had been secured, leading to a protracted legal mess that ultimately forced taxpayers to pay more than six times the original market price for property the city ended up having to seize from a private citizen using eminent domain. Better yet, Palin ended up paying for the f**king thing with a 25 percent increase in the city sales tax. But in her speech, of course, Palin presented herself as the enemy of tax increases, righteously bemoaning that "taxes are too high," and Obama "wants to raise them."
And
“Palin hasn't been too worried about federal taxes as governor of a state that ranks number one in the nation in federal spending per resident ($13,950), even as it sits just 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434). That means all us taxpaying non-Alaskans spend $8,500 a year on each and every resident of Palin's paradise of rugged self-sufficiency. Not that this sworn enemy of taxes doesn't collect from her own: Alaska currently collects the most taxes per resident of any state in the nation.”

Now that’s pretty mavericky for ya, gosh geeze. Wink* wink*
Or at least it is for all you “joe six-pack” republican’ts out there (her words, not mine). Put down the beer and think for yourself, gosh gee.

It must be disappointing to all the left nuts who said Gov. Palin was stupid, uninformed and not ready for prime time to be proven so wrong. Sen. Biden did as well as can be expected for someone who always points to the past, but it's so nice to see Palin point to the future and address it. Sometimes it is hard to pick a winner but in this case the loser,Biden, sure stands out!

Hmm... what's that I smell? Fear...democrats are afraid that with Palin McCain has a chance.

One thing about you left nuts, you never give up or get tired of misinforming the each other

For some reason, as soon as the two walk out, my reaction was SNL!
Hey Sara, please look-up instead of reading the answer from your staff on your monitor. She still isn't a Hilary Rodham Clinton. If you look at the debate, it was, like reading from a book. Sorry, but I would be worry, if she had to take over our country as Commander In Chief.

Didn't I read this same bs post somewhere else? Try being a little more creative with your lies and mix it up a little bit, they will be more believable.

I am not voting for Obama period. But, I feel Biden won the debate. One thing he said, was "lowering the mortgage and interest rates", even though some are able to make the high payments, but most can't, and it would prevent a lot of foreclosures, and keep people in their homes, let alone rescue the financial institutions. That is where the "Bail Out" should be.

But, that doesn't mean a promise would be kept, are they ever?

Palin didn't do bad - much better than I expected, in fact. And Biden had a tough task: I don't think he could win this debate, no matter what.

I was afraid Biden would come off as patronizing. Instead, to my surprise, Palin did. She repeatedly slipped into her school marm voice and said things like, "Now Joe, there ya go again, goshdarnit." It bordered on the ridiculous.

I'm sorry, I'm just not that impressed with Palin. She did a good job in the debate, but she's obviously just reading a script, and I doubt she really has command of the necessary facts.

She reminds me of a beauty queen contestant, reciting prepared statements.

Doesn't change my vote.

The only disappoint for me last nite came at the end when I hoped Gov. Palin was going to ask Sen. Biden if he would like to have another debate. I doubt he would have agreed.

I don't know what a lot of people are talking about, Palin got "Owned" from what i watched last night. She is way in over her head.

Should I clarify for you, 420?
I think Sarah Palin is the PERFECT republican’t candidate. She is far from being a maverick, in fact she is a typical republican’t in all the following ways:
She wants to impose moral standards on the rest of us that even she and her own family can’t live up to.
She does not let facts get in her way. For example, she thinks dinosaurs and people co-existed.
She has an inflated view of herself, thus exaggerating her own ideas. It is not a too far leap for republican’ts to think that, because you know of someone who can see Russia, you are qualified as a foreign policy expert.
She wants to spend money she doesn’t have on things that benefit the fewest people and then blame others when the walls come crashing in.
She has an inflated view of her own wealth and power. This makes her condescending to the real mainstream people who at least recognize that the current economy is unsustainable and declining for the average person.
She has compassion for the rich, none for the less fortunate. She preaches self reliance and individual responsibility while bailing out the wealthy.
She belongs to a religious group which thinks it is mainstream and somehow is the truth of light to all America, never realizing how much of a minority they are.

More of the same tired old republican’t regressive attitude and action? No thanks.
Obama 08

Morons! Go ahead, vote McSame/anti-woman Palin....see where you are at 4 years from now!
Absolute morons in this country! Rednecks, backwards, backwoods, religious freaks, ignorant, morons who vote for people who are the same as they are, just like they did for George W Bush....in my hunble opinion.

hey left nut, where do you get your information? you-tube? Cypress City Park? Rescue Mission? Loves& Fishes? It is so misleadingly to present this propaganda as facts.

Jed Clampett, AKA John McCain, breathes a sigh of relief as Elly May Palin finishes debate without soiling her pants. But aw shucks, to Republicans this is as good as it gets!

Wow, way to put half the population in one boat. The fact that you run on in such a diatribe means you are the uneducated one. I am a Republican , I also have lots of friends that are Democrat. We get along fine, we agree to disagree. We stay away from certain topics. We don't always vote party line. The name calling is unnecessary.

they do not get teleprompters at debates! Get a CLUE!

<<When asked about Pakistan, she talked about Iran.>>

Apparently YOU weren't listening to the question asked....It was about wether Iran wanting nuclear capability or an unstable Pakistan having nuclear capability was more troublesome.

<<Or at least it is for all you “joe six-pack” republican’ts out there (her words, not mine). Put down the beer and think for yourself, gosh gee.>>

Is Jager more your style?

I am surprised that Palin's refusal to answer on topic whenever she was asked a question she did not have an answer for is not a bigger deal to both Dems and Reps.
The least we can ask at a debate that we learn where they stand. In my opinion by stating that she would not answer questions from the moderator if she did not want to she made it clear that she does not have a grasp on the issues.
That she gets a pass on this is crazy.

good to know that you support Obama without listening to his words and examining his actual proposals -- he wants to expand the federal government's reach into every aspect of life -- he wants to nationalize health care -- he wants the legal system to take into account the race and/or financial situation of the parties -- he wants to raise taxes -- he wants the government more heavily involved in 'alternative energy' -- he wants to tax Americans directly to fund the United Nations -- he prefers Palestine to Israel -- he talks not about the Kennedys' pal Chavez down in Venezuela and the threat there of nuclear armanments with Russian presence ... he wants abortion on demand at taxpayer expense ... he voted for the Senate's version of the WallStreet bailout -- that is not change. when you have been a POW, or a governor, or a mayor, or have chosen life for a child rather than abortion, or have watched a child of your own go off to war to fight radical Islamists who kidnap and behead innocent civilians -- then and only then are you truly qualified to judge someone like GovPalin or SenMcCain. exactly what national service has SenObama performed other than promoting voter fraud and housing fraud through his 'community organizer' groups such as ACORN?

We were all waiting for her to fall on her butt, okay so she did not completely fall on her butt....I am sure there was a large group of people who were paid well to prepare her for the debate? They did a good job with her, better than expected. Is "better than expected" enough? The bar was set pretty low for her, as long as she did not fall on her butt that makes her VP quality? Huh? So therefore she did a great job? Huh? She never answered many of the questions! She only answered the ones that she obviously was "schooled on" right before the debate. She said she won't answer the questions the way she is expected to? Huh? She won't fallow the rules? She would be working FOR the people, if she insists on not answering the questions in a way she is expected to, doesn't that say something about her character? She talked like a Cashier at a discount place like W*lm*rt on her cigarette break? But that would be an insult to cashiers. I am embarrassed to be the same gender as she is. Biden could have clammed on her women's issues, I wish he has, he was very reserved, I think he missed many opportunities, but I don't think he HAD to, so he didn't. Shows his character.

Is this the love we're supposed to feel from the Healer Obama? Is this attitude the Obama supporters have that is supposed to make me want to vote for Obama? If I was your neighbor, would you speak to me this way?

Palin just makes me want to throw up. She's more like a man than a women but a Redneck man at that. I'm surspised we didn't see her spitting chaw out on the stage floor.

Your stupid! No, your stupid! Your stupid! No, your stupid! Your stupid! No, your stupid! Your stupid! No, your stupid! Your stupid! No, your stupid!
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....

Rednecks made this country and yes, some chew. Gov. workers and politicians have almost ruined this country and then complained how hard they worked.

Sarah Palin debate flow chart...

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo113/amk123amk/PalinFlowchart.jpg

Am not!

My guess is that there are very few "chaw spitters" on Wall Street, and I'm guessing there were not to many "chaw spitters" in oversight positions, and I also assume there were not to many "chaw spitters" loading up the Senate bill with pork (wooden arrows and Carribean Rum).

Well Said Silverback 23. People aren't listening to what Obama is saying, or what he actually stands for. Do you really think bigger Government will improve our quality of life?
I can't think of one Government run agency that actually works. Well maybe the IRS, it works for the Government.

Left Nut, very good, rude but funny. Is it so hard to say Gov. Palin did a lot better than you expected? The Demo. slogan should be " My Way or Your Stupid"

Sounds like you're blaming our countries current problems on just the Democrats. Yes the Democrats are partly to blame but maybe you ought to remove the chaw from your eyes to see who has been president for the last 8 years...

McCain here, sorry but NObama i dont wish to pay more taxes and keep paying for illegals to just start wit and i'll leave it at that.

GO MCCAIN 08!!!!!

It would appear some of the individuals posting here that are supporting Obama are doing so because he uses correct grammar. What's next, some of you complaining about the plural of Moose. LOL

McCain and Palin are mavericks, and they do not need to answer any stink'in questions.

Neither party has a monopoly on greedy jerks, or incompetent ego driven aholes. The folks who drove this bus off the cliff do not really have a political ideolgy, just a team they claim to be a member of to advance their own ego and pocket book. The Harvard/Yale crowd is currently debating how to get as much pork into this bailout bill as possible. The educated elite in Washington are so smart, but lack basic charactor and honor.
If the Democrats who control Congress are auditioning for the next 4 years, this will be worse than Bush. If Obama wants to be different, really different, then he should stand tall today and demand the Democrats remove the pork. Otherwise, it's just more of the same....Obama can't rail against the fiscal irresponcibility of the Republicans, and then keep quiet about this only to get elected. That isn't leadership.

Quote: Biden's 14 Lies

1) Tax vote: Biden said McCain voted "the exact same way" as Obama to increase taxes on Americans
earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2) Ahmedinijad Meeting: Biden lied when he said that Obama never said that hewould sit down unconditionally with Mhmedinijad of Iran. Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3) Offshore Oil Drilling: Biden said "drill we must", but biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore dirlling to "raping"
the Outer Continental Shelf.

4) Troop Funding: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that McCain & Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the Presdient had already said he would veto regardless of it's passage.

5) Opposing Clean Coal: Biden says he's always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the US Senate.

6) Alternative energy votes: According to Factcheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating McCain's record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted agaiinst it 23 times.

7) Health insurance: Biden falsely said McCain wil raise taxes on people's heatlh insurance coverage - they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false.

8) Oil Taxes: Biden falsey said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska - she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

As Gomer McCain says,"stupid is as stupid does". Isn't he the one who selected Elly May?

9) Afgahanistan/Gen. McKiernana Coomments:
Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the priinciples of the surge could not be applied to Afgahanistan, but the commander of NATO's international security assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were priinciples of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in
Afghanistan.

10) Regulation: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation - he actualy called for more regulation on Fannie & Freddie.

11) Iraq: When Joe Biden lied when he said that McCain was "dead wrong on Iraq", because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where
John McCain has been proven right.

12) Tax increases: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn't see highter taxes, but the Obama Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals make $200,000 or more.

13) Bailout: Biden said the economic rescue
legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn't meet two of the four prinicples that Obama outlined on Sep 19, which were that it include a emergency ecnomic stimulus package, and that it be part of "part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20."

14) Reagan Tax Rates: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes than they did under Reagan.

"I think we need to ban together and say NEVER AGAIN"

I've never been so embarrassed to be from Redding.

Thank god I left and got an education.

Thank god.

She thrives on cuteness, using winks and other things that Joe found were out of bound for him (he couldn't flex his larger muscles, as that would have been considered male chauvinist). She avoided questions, some say because she didn't have the answers. The best thing she had to offer was a wink, smile, wink wink wink. Many women (I'm watching NBC) were offended as she avoided so many questions.

In the end it won't make any difference, as regardless of what is happening in the VP contest, the presedential contest continues to be fairly one sided.

From www.538.com :
Obviously, there are a lot of great numbers for Obama today. Essentially all of the CNN polls look good for him, as do the other couple of Florida polls. Rasmussen has him maintaining his lead in North Carolina, and PPP has him way ahead in Michigan -- enough, apparently, that MCcain has now given up on winning the state (more on this when I get a moment).

So, I can't see wasting any more time with this, and will continue to study the economy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... Branding most of these as "lies" is only fair if you sort through all of Palin's statements and brand any that you can argue against as "lies."

A couple of those comments by Biden were definitely spin, but most of your accusations of telling "lies" are ridiculous.

Biden said, "Drill we must," and the fact that he's voted against offshore drilling in some cases means that he opposes all drilling, everywhere? I know you don't actually believe that logic supports the conclusion, and that this constitutes a lie, unless you're stupid. And I don't think you're stupid. You're purposefully misrepresenting the truth.

Some would say, sir, that such misrepresentation makes YOU the liar.

i think sera balin won the debat1 shes got better legs than joe! joe has a big but!so what if she had to reed al the answers cuz she dont kno/ goshdarnit! she is a perfekt rebuplican!-she hates al the rite things! lik books an polur bares andthe enver...envoron...the outsides! and she wants mor oil! she even hates women so moch she hates hersellf! i want to heer her speek in tongues at the nexxt debat1
when do we eat?
waldo herger

Any proof, examples, or is this more of the Republican right wing sno job stuff that needs fixin and shorin up.

As someone else said, Palin held her own because she didn't start speaking in tongues or babbling incoherently, as she's done in recent cases where her responses weren't so obviously scripted. The bar for a successful debate performance has probably never been set so low, and Palin managed to step over it without tripping.

Nothing changed. She didn't demonstrate that she has the depth of understanding or intellect to be President. Shasta County may disagree, but I think America as a whole has had enough of our grand experiment with electing folksy, dumb-as-a-fencepost leaders of our government.

Because look where THAT got us.

No matter how you slice it, Palin is still DUMB!!! She looked like a scripted redneck with a "folksy" vocabulary (wink, wink). She didn't answer one question that was asked. She is a FRAUD, err Maverick!! This contest is over folks...just look at the polls. LMFAO!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN '08

The 12 Lies of Sarah Palin (From Atlantic Monthly):

Just for the record, I asked an intern to go back and double fact-check the twelve documented lies that Sarah Palin has told on the public record. These are not hyperbolic claims or rhetorical excess. They are assertions of fact that are demonstrably untrue and remain uncorrected. Every single one of the lies I documented holds up after several news cycles have had a chance to vet them even further.

1. She has lied about the Bridge To Nowhere. She ran for office favoring it, wore a sweatshirt defending it, and only gave it up when the federal congress, Senator McCain in particular, went ballistic. She kept the money anyway and favors funding Don Young's Way, at twice the cost of the original bridge.

2. She has lied about her firing of the town librarian and police chief of Wasilla, Alaska.

3. She has lied about pressure on Alaska's public safety commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law.

4. She has lied about her previous statements on climate change.

5. She has lied about Alaska's contribution to America's oil and gas production.

6. She has lied about when she asked her daughters for their permission for her to run for vice-president.

7. She has lied about the actual progress in constructing a natural gas pipeline from Alaska.

8. She has lied about Obama's position on habeas corpus.

9. She has lied about her alleged tolerance of homosexuality.

10. She has lied about the use or non-use of a TelePrompter at the St Paul convention.

11. She has lied about her alleged pay-cut as mayor of Wasilla.

12. She has lied about what Alaska's state scientists concluded about the health of the polar bear population in Alaska.

You cannot trust a word she says. On anything.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-twelve-odd.html
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FactCheck says Palin said things that were untrue during the debate and Biden said things that were untrue during the debate (not 14 things, only a couple).

So they both lie. Let's move on and figure out who is best to get our country out of this mess.

I don't want there to be a chance of a President Palin, a woman with little to no grasp of the issues which face our country and our world today. Actuarial tables say she has a 1 in 5 to 6 chance of being president. That's a risk we cannot afford.

In your "humble" opinion? Sounds like you are either an out-of-towner, or you need to get off your high horse and remember where you're from. Way to generalize half of your country. I wonder if you realize how that makes you sound?

After reading some of the comments above, I am amazed at the way an individual is elected in this country. We are supposed to make our choice based on who is the best candidate. Qualifications, Integrity, Honesty, and several other points should be taken into consideration before a vote is cast. The best person should be elected, but is that really the way it works? There are many people who will cast a vote just because the person running is of a certain race, sex, religious belief or worst of all political party. Just because you are a Democrat or Republican or Independent, doesn't mean you have to vote the party line. Anyone that votes with a closed mind is harming the system as much as those that just don't vote at all. Granted, the system isn't perfect, but being stupid about who you choose just helps to make it worse. I have listened to the presidential and VP candidates and tried to make a choice based on truth and intelligence. I am sure that my vote will be trumped by someone that doesn't have a clue and is just voting the party line. Like Ron White Says "You can't fix Stupid".

I could not believe that Palin did not, would not, answer the questions! She even boasted that she was not going to answer the way the moderator wanted her to! -- She came with prepared answers, no matter the questions. This is hardly the mark of a responsible, authentic, accountable leader. I fear that had she actually tried to be responsive to the questions we would once again have seen a deer in the headlights.

Ok but hey I need to ask everyone a question:

I'm in a Social Action club on campus, and we're running a campaign to get as many students to register and vote as we can. So far, a lot have registered with us, or filled out absentee ballot requests, but do you have any ideas on how to get the rest involved? There's quite a few people who want nothing to do with either candidate (and who can blame them), but they forget how important it is. If they don't make a choice, the rest of the country will make it for them. Any suggestions?

Okay chief, as I suspected for sometime, your first name is Milburn.

I'll be really interested to see if she does anymore interviews with the press besides with Sean Hannity, or a press conference like all VP candidates have done.

Her handlers know the debate last night was the best kind of format to showcase her strengths and hide her weaknesses because there is no room for follow-up questions or demanding substantive answers that she cannot give.

She had her cue cards in front of her and her talking points. If there was a question she did not understand, she reverted to talking points that had nothing whatever to do with the original question.

She would not get away with that at a press conference.

Imagine having a VP who cannot face the press? This is getting so ridiculous that we even have to talk about it. What's happened to our country? It used to be the best and brightest, now it's just what religious conservatives and "joe six-pack" can feel "comfortable" with.

No elitists! Right. I want an elitist. I want smarter and better than I am in every way possible.

Palin was just McCain's puppet to get out there and give a spirited defense of the same disastrous policies that have failed us for the last 8 years. Her wink was sexist, to say the least.

Let's see what happens when the report comes from Branchflower proving that Palin quashed workers comp benefits to Wooten without any justification. Wooten was forced to hire an attorney to reinstate his benefits. It just gets deeper and deeper.

Now that is funny.

Nothing unites a country like race and gender based hiring preferences supported by Obama!

Maybe Obama can overturn proposition 209! and finally all white males hired (illegally) by the state of California after 1996 can be fired. After all, its only fair. Just ask any Democrat.

That will unite this country for sure!

Get them to read www.factcheck.org . They will see that no pollitician is perfect (after all , very few of them do not have a law career in their backgrounds and that is a necessary because they are law makers !)

If they see the mistakes that both sides are making, perhaps they can then decide what they would want these law makers advance to turn into laws ? By the way, is this Simpson, or Shasta.

No matter what your political affiliation is, you have to admit the debate was a draw last night. Then once you factor in his years of experience compared to hers, which is much more, you have to acknowledge that she won the debate.

I am not stating this because I am a Palin/McCain fan, this is just the facts when looking at it with an open mind.

If you weren't listening to the questions and answers, it was a draw, or Palin won because she leaned heavily on charm alone.

But if you actually listened to the substance of the debate, it was hands-down a Biden win.

He knows what he is talking about. She doesn't.

Yes. She is not smart enough. It's you're kind of thinking that got us George W. Bush and look where our country is right now. We are losing our power in the world because of an incurious, ineffective and hands-off leader.

You care so little for our country that you are willing to leave it in the hands of a know-nothing because you are a know-nothing and that's just all right with you. She's just like you.

I don't want an mk for president. I have higher hopes.

And Obama is neither a bigot nor a socialist. You can't even be honest.

I'm voting for Palin. She winked at me several times last night, so it pretty much sealed the deal!

I am glad to hear that others saw Palin for what she was - dodging questions, sticking to memorized talking points, and quite ungenuine and more like the beauty queen contestant that she is. Because I could not believe how the media portrayed her as "doing well". She did hold up pretty well though, I will give her that, but she has no grasp of what has been occuring in government. It really made me think that "How can she change government when she has no concept of what has been occuring". And you can't just "go read about" that knowledge. How can you fix problems when you don't know how those problems came about? And you know if she's elected she will listen to her handlers, and get the point of view from the Bush Admin / republican advisors who mold her, not from her own experience, and this is extremely frightening to me, especially at this time in our country.

I think Biden did great, kept his cool, showed emotion and true concern for our country, showed how he's well liked and can work with people.

BTW, I have midwestern roots and I DO NOT talk like Palin, neither do most of my midwestern family - so I really don't know why people seem to relate to her lingo and to me it is very "unpresidential". She truly is the type to hang out with Joe Sixpack, and I can't believe a staunchly Christian woman would such a reference, surely there is something better.

I am also sort of wondering "Why" Palin even wants to be VP/possibly President. I think the next interview should ask her that. Just because she seems to have had no interest in foreign affairs, what is going on in the world, etc. Personally I feel I have more knowledge of those subjects than she does. I do recall hearing one oil executive say in an interview that "We will swing McCain to drill for oil in ANWR." That was before Palin came onto ticket, I guess the oil exec's are happy now.

Obviously Democrats are not RACIST.

They prove it everyday by incessantly asking about our race, gender, ethnicity, sexual preference and age.

You think I'm making this up?

http://www.spb.ca.gov/WorkArea/showcontent.aspx?id=1814

Thanks democrats for showing us that our civil rights don't actually come from the constitution.

Instead they come from a box, checked "not a white male" on a government form.

Here are some numbers on the electoral votes to digest from Pollster.com:

Obama
182 strong
68 lean

McCain
158 strong
5 lean

There are 125 electoral votes up for grabs. However, 83 lean towards Obama and 42 lean towards McCain.

Those are numbers I LIKE!!!

Obama/Biden 08! BaROCK ON!

Palin is soooo dumb!

She thinks "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." means that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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Biden has been in the Senate for 35 years? And with all that "Experience" he wasn't able to slam dunk a moose hunting mother of five from Alaska? What gives?

Eh CANAAN, if she is not smart enough how is that Biden couldn't put her away last night? After all she's only the Governor of Alaska. Your guy ought to be smart enough to shut her up eh?

So, McCain wins the first Presidential debate, Palin wins the VP debate, and still the drones suckling on a daily diet of how bad America is will vote the same way Hamas, and Hezbollah want you to vote.

You'll vote for anyone that will give you legitimacy, condone your lifestyles, and turn a blind eye to illegal immigration.

I can't believe people are gullible enough to think she "won" the debate! Obviously, they were not watching the same thing I was, because she couldn't answer a straight question about anything! Or she would take Biden's answer and make it her own. And she lied, quite a bit, as she would have to to try and fool the American public into thinking that she's for the people. If she's so "for the people", then why would she fire a librarian for NOT banning books that she considered offensive? Or why would she try to instate a law that would require victims to purchase their own rape kit at the ER? I won't even get into what she did to her hometown(which is now THE meth capitol of Alaska), but really, you people out there that think she's a knight in shining armor, go do your homework like I did and find out how similar she is to Hitler yourselves.

Soldier_X:

I'm going to assume you served or are serving our country.

Thank you! Thank you so much for the freedoms I enjoy.

F****** racist democrats!

How can you vote for race based preferences?! that Obama supports? Obama is on the wrong side of the issue you fool! Ever heard of Ward Connerly?

We are going to see a serious millitia movement for the next 4 years similar to the 1990's. It will be great for the gun business.

No matter how hard they try, they cannot hide from their history.

Just google 'democrats' and 'KKK'.

That is a great idea! Thanks! It's Simpson University (I'm a sophomore), and I think we registered around 20 students on Wednesday alone, so we're doing pretty good! (and that was only during lunch and dinner!). We're also going to hold an information night in 3 weeks, with reps for both candidates, and info on the propositions that are coming across in the California election, so that people can be informed before they vote, and we're working really hard to make it positive and leave out any mud-slinging. (So if you think of anything big, let me know about that too, in case we missed something)Thanks for the idea, I had never thought of the law background thing. Have a great day!

Please. Biden had to walk on eggshells for the mere fact Palin is a woman. After the bruising primary with Obama and Clinton, everyone learned a lesson: You can't "gang up on the girl" as Hillary put it. She played the victim card.

Biden put her away in knowledge and facts and he stuck to the issues; something she seems incapable of doing. It makes me sick as a woman that she had to use her charms instead of her intellect to get anywhere. That's so 1950's.

McCain is going to lose and even Republicans know it by now. Wait for Krauthammer's article tomorrow.

I thought that Palin sounded like a vastly more articulate individual than the one we've been seeing in recent interview snippets.

I thought that Biden gave more substantive answers but did not always articulate as well as he probably wanted to.

Both of them probably overstated some of the factual stuff but that probably won't be a big deal in the long run.

I do think that Biden missed a golden opportunity when Palin was speaking about (enemies of) Israel, and also Iran, and I think it was South Korea (she referred to the rulers) to ask her if she and McCain planned on attacking every country that they perceived as unstable and just how many battles did they think we needed to be fighting. Her stance really did make me nervous to think what the future might hold if McCain wins the election. Biden should have emphasized that point.

I thought that Biden came across as more professional. He also appeared to have more genuine emotion than Palin did. I was somewhat put off by her trying to be cutesy or folksy to appeal to mainstream America. It felt insincere and made me feel like she was trying to sell me a used car. I wasn't buying what she was selling.

Over all, neither one was an embarrassment to his or her running mate and neither one completely ran away it successfully.
Generally speaking:

The McCain/Palin platform appears, to me, to be based on a presumption of fear (of the economy, of terrorists, etc.) and a need for a warrior to "change" the course we are on.

The Obama/Biden seems, to me, to be based more on a call for reason and diplomacy to also "change" the status quo.

universitygal:

Make sure students know where the candidate's stand on abortions/infanticide.

Be sure to show them this picture, too....

This is what Obama calls "choice"...

No...That's not the reason...I don't want to vote for her because she's a Religious freak, she could care less about the environment, she does not believe in Man Made Global Warming, wants to "Drill Baby Drill", wants to overturn Roe V Wade and wants to continue giving handouts to Corporate America. And back to that Religious Freak comment I made.. We don't need another Religious freak in the Whitehouse. She's worse that Bush when it comes to Religion. She's someone who believes the earth is only 6000 years old and that man walked with the Dinosaurs. She's not in touch with reality.

"you want to denigrate an actual hard working American leader because she's not smart enough in your opinion, puuullleeese."

ROFLMFAO!!! How dare us to want someone SMART...We've seen what DUMB can do for us. It's time for a change!!!I say NO to "Winky and Blinky"

OBAMA/BIDEN

Democrats think your civil rights are derived from whatever victim group you belong to, not the constitution.

That is why they force us to check boxes for jobs on race, and try to give preferences to anyone but white males.

Democrats are closet racists of the worst kind because their racism has the power of government behind it.

canaan:

C'mon. Even Biden knows (and admitted) that Obama is not prepared to be President.

what a 3rd grade reply GROW UP

In retrospect, we elected Bush from a mostly fear-based mindset and I think that many people have regrets that may well be taken into account in the upcoming election. I think that a warrior stance should be our last resort instead of our presumed response and this is probably the key factor shaping my vote this fall even in light of the current financial mess.

Universitygal, this has been a problem as long as I can remember. If you went to practically any campus and asked 10 students if they vote, probably only 1-2 would say yes. It's sad.

Maybe you can use reverse psychology. Instead of registering students to vote, push a petition to get those not-voting to give their votes to someone overseas. Tell them, millions of people around the world realize what you don't, that voting is important. We should use all those unused votes by giving them to Canadians and Brits and other foreigners who'd like to have the privilege you're not using.

WE DON'T MISS YOU